Hi again
I understood that, which is why I changed the classification. However, I understand what you mean: if you take the road stretches I changed separately, for sure they are not roads connecting main cities. However, I changed that because I have a vistion of routes as a whole. I think it is a matter of discussing it between us. I was advised to take this route by an Estonian friend, and so I did. I think it is quite a good alternative to the Via Baltica or the road through Lihula. How do you think?

I noticed some people (ex.: in Lithuania) prefer sticking to the theory rather than favorizing practice, which IMHO opinion is wrong. When you see, for instance, Joniškis (Northern Lithuania osm.org/#map=13/56.2281/23.5950). The A12 road (which according to the LT classification is a main road) leads through the city center. However, the Western bypass (road 210) is classified only as primary. If I followed my OSM-based GPS, I would drive right through the city center, which means: loss of time, more pollution. If you take the Western bypass by car, it is much quicker. Hence, I would classify the 210 road as the main on and the A12 road as primary or secondary on that specific stretch. Many times (LT, BY, etc.) countries build new roads, bypasses, etc. but forget to change the official classification and numbers of old roads, which leads to absurd situations when GPS-es lead transiting drivers right through city centers. In Estonia, I noticed it was the same with the Rapla bypass, which was classified lower than the N/S road leading right through the Rapla city center.

Hello. Because I drove there and it is an alternative route to the Via Baltica, just like the road through Lihula. Why do you ask? Do you think it is wrong?

O.K. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised they are not even aware that those 2 villages have slightly different names ... I'm pretty confident their answer will be very interesting to read.

Ah, rightttt. Looks like this Georgij also knows about this.
However, I am the one who created the relation between Bialkiški and Astraviec.
You are welcome to have a look if I did it the right way.

lol Thanks for highlighting it.
It was supposed to be "name:ru", but I had forgotten to switch the keyboard before writing "ru" so it was writen in Cyrillic as "ру". :D :D :D
I've just corrected it. If you see similar mistakes ru/ру made by myself (sometimes I want to go too fast ...), you can correct them without even notifying me :)

Bialkiški was marked as a neighborhood by myself :)
There is one thing I noticed in Belarus (very similar to Lithuania and to Ireland): ZIP codes seem not to be used ... Maybe it would be good to find them and map them?

If the values are wrong, I still don't see what I should keep them as they were.
I've corrected many mistakes on OSM where the ending was not the proper one or the name was wrong (just as in this case). I haven't seen districts of one locality signed whatsoever. For instance, Bialkiški used to be a village and is now a district of Astraviec. Only the name of the bus stop is left as it was, but entering it you see an "Astraviec" roadsign. So I seriously doubt the case is different between Mały Hudahaj and Stancyja Hudahaj.
Lately I discovered 2 villages that were place exactly the opposite on OSM as on-ground.
As I said: in Belarus, you have such an enormous mess in your papers that the only way to reflect the reality is to apply a full ground rule. Otherwise, this discussion can last for years and the map will still not be efficient because both the language displayed and the names will be wrong.
Even people within villages argue between themselves whether the right name of their locality finishes with "yzna" or "yna" (interesting, very recent article about such an issue: https://nn.by/?c=ar&i=197923 As in many places, the name of this train station has been changed from a Russian name to a Belarusian name. On the way, the toponym lost a "z" to make is "Hruleŭščyna" instead of "Hrulevščizna").

Your threat of reporting the above to the DWG is absolutely ridiculous given the fact you are the one who has been reverting my changes without/before even asking why I made them, and thus you brought more confusion. Your behavior is contrary to the good practice of OSM, which pretty much puts your actions into the vandalism category. (osm.wiki/Vandalism). Normally you should never revert any changes without asking its author why they did it, and you have been doing that nonstop.
If you want to put your names in alt_name, then do it yourself. However, to me it makes totally no sense. "Stancyja Hudahaj" already existed before the war ("Stacja Gudogaje") as a different village. The only village that used to be called "Hudahaj" is nowadays "Maly Hudahaj". Hence, the only one I can agree on is putting "old_name" tags "Hudahaj", "Гудогай" "Гудагай" and "Gudogaje" on that particular village.

I'm afraid you guys have an *enormous* mess in your documents regarding toponyms, addresses, and so on But this is neither my fault, neither the fault of other OSM users. I keep discovering names that don't match with your papers while being in Belarus. Even worse - sometimes I notice some villages' geographical situation is exactly the opposite than in reality!
You and I have a totally different approach on OSM. You are pretty much into theory, I am into practice, and it is the reason why I keep correcting every time I drive somewhere (especially in Belarus...), and why I want the map to look as the on-ground reality while you stick to your papers and wannabe-reality that is confusing everyone around, even those you think you are defending.

The values you added were wrong. The only thing called „Hudahaj” is the train station. Those villages are called „Stancyja Hudahaj” and „Maly Hudahaj” respectively. Why should I restore wrong data if I’ve been there a couple of times, the latest of which was this weekend?

I see nothing wrong here.

Please revert these changes. I put the right names of the villages. I drive regularly through them. They are called Maly Hudahaj and Stancyja Hudahaj. Only the train station itself is called "Hudahaj" Do not change such things without asking!

Are you sure it was me? I usually never delete this kind of info unless I want to create a new item or create a new relation between the built-up area and the name of the place (but 3 months ago I didn't even know such things exist ...)

Now, you are welcome to revert the changes you made.

@Maturi0n - I’m aware your heart beats more for the Russian language to be left, but this is not a matter of the local community wanting or not wanting something (and anyway most of the guys who discuss with us do support the Belarusian language or a full ground truth rule). OSM is neither a local project, neither an ethnographic nor linguistic project. Hence, we cannot afford to think only about local communities nor map freaks like you and me. Lots of apps are using the wrong data so far because of us, and thus showing an alternative “wannabe” reality. We have the chance to change it and IMHO we should seize it. That’s all.

Because it is a suburb and not a village. When you drive there, the Narbuty village limit is precisely where Zarečča is mapped.

All my sources are in my profile.

? What are you talking about?

O.K. I will revert those changes manually as I don’t have JOSM. Thanks

I do not understand why my changes have been reversed.

On wiki (osm.wiki/Key:highway), it is clearly indicated:
- Highway=trunk: "The most important roads in a country's system that aren't motorways. (Need not necessarily be a divided highway.)"
- Highway=primary: "The next most important roads in a country's system. (Often link larger towns.) "
- Highway=secondary: "The next most important roads in a country's system. (Often link towns.)"

I've driven there last month, and classifying a North/South road that goes through the city center as a "highway=trunk" while you have a good bypass (called Joniškio aplinkelis) classified as only a "highway=primary" seems totally absurd and counter-productive because you are inciting drivers to plan their trip and/or drive through the city center just because someone forgot to change a road number after building a bypass.

Could you please explain why you reversed this road classification?

Hi Harald :)
Yes, it was a typo. It was supposed to be "hgv" :)
Thanks for highlighting that. I corrected it.