Opps, wrong edit.

I wouldn't classify Old Bayside Road and that section of Dalrymple Road as secondary as it doesn't connect two towns together and isn't designed for heavy traffic.

Greetings my friend. Yes, I wonder if this was one of those "I'm going to get back to this later" projects that I never did.

I think all of the individual campsites should be mapped as "camp_pitch".

I haven't been down there in a while so I don't know where all the little POIs are.

How can I help?

I was following the standard published on the Wiki and JOSM:

A man_made=communications_tower is a huge tower for transmitting radio applications like television, radio, mobile phone or officials radio. An indication could be a height greater than 100 meters. Both of these towers are well over 100 meters tall.

Looks like a piece was deleted by accident. I replaced that piece and reorganized the sections in the relation so that everything would line up again. Thanks for the catch!

Hmm, didn't mean to. Let me take a look.

No worries, just wanted to let you know why I was making a change to one of your edits. Wish there was a better way to communicate when roadways go away but are still showing up on imagery. Thanks for your work!

Greetings. I just reverted this change. This road is no longer there due to recent construction. Thanks!

No. I disagree with your interpretation of coastline and can only say that it's time to fix this interpretation that you've been propagating for the last ten years. Legally, scientifically, and locally, the Bay is neither ocean nor sea. There are better ways of tagging this and that's what we've done. So, instead of armcharing this from many thousands of km away, how about you let us that actually live here define what's here.

Ahh, I see the relation, now. However, the use of coastline is still bringing in the ocean as that is what coastline is for, IMO.

I'm looking at YAAC which has the side effect of pulling way identifiers from OSM data and displaying them to the user.

Looking at an application that uses OSM data, the SF Bay is identified as North Pacific Ocean because it is improperly mapped using coastline and only, what I suspect, has a node dropped in the middle of the area, saying that it is the Bay. That's the problem with mapping these inland waters like this. Using "coastline" and then dropping a label in the middle is great if you're making a paper map but if you're using software to actually use the data you actually have to identify the what those areas are and the SF Bay is no more the Pacific Ocean than the Chesapeake Bay is the Atlantic.

I'm not changing the definition of anything. I'm defining the "thing" that I am mapping.

Back to the point of the matter, the Chesapeake Bay is an inland waterway and not a sea like an ocean, the Gulf of Mexico, or the Caribbean Sea. It is vastly smaller and surrounded by land.

The Chesapeake Bay is not part of "the sea", it is a defined area of water that is specifically delineated from an ocean. If it is not rendered appropriately, then the renderer should be fixed. Under your definition, because it is tidal, many rivers should be considered seas which isn't correct.

Awesome. I think it's going to be good to come back and look at everything again. Many tributaries had already been "fixed" so I didn't even look at them.

That was quick. I was just going to start looking at that. Yeah, the little bays along the Chesapeake are... complex. Want to take one side and I'll take the other?

Is there a better place to communicate than a changeset in NC? :)

We can. There are lots of areas in there that could be broken up and removed from the coastline markup. I'm assuming that would improve the time fixes would show up and further reduce the time it would take to render coastline.

Yeah, I was there for an event and saw some of these trails signed the way they were mapped (which I did think was odd). Very cool place to go and explore!

So, that was a while ago. IIRC, some of these names were actually signed names of trails in the area. It seemed at the time that if there was no official name that a local name should just be the name. Not sure if that would be the consensus today but it seemed like the thing to do back then.

Ahhh, I missed that. Lets hope that fixes everything. Thanks for finding that.