Hey Caprahircus,

Thanks for your contribution to OpenStreetmap. Regarding your changeset comment, objects are by default "used". Usually a lifecycle tag (disused=yes) is added if they are not. However, for milk churn stands this recommendation has been more or less discarded, as for many it is clear they are disused (and otherwise it may be unverifiable if they are in use).

You can always contact the community if needed. See
https://openstreetmap.community/?map=53.35724,-7.75471&zoom=4.95

Regards,

Daniel

Hey Liamio2,

Thanks for your contribution to OpenStreetMap. I have added a description to the milk churn stand you added based on aerial imagery (Bing, april 2021). Could you verify this description if possible, please?
osm.org/way/1181816142

Regards,

Daniel

Sources (use for reference only!);
- https://www.tirlanfarmlife.com/news/100th-anniversary-of-the-establishment-of-the-castlelyons-cooperative
- https://www.tidytowns.ie/u_reports/2017/2017%20County%20Cork_North%20Castlelyons%20-%20Bridesbridge%20572.pdf
- https://www.instagram.com/p/BWvEHlXl0Yh/

(previous changeset included unintended change);
osm.org/changeset/136917595

oops, has unintended change included. reverted in osm.org/changeset/136917622

No problem. You can always try visiting early in the morning or on a less sunny day.

There is not a cafe anymore?

Ah, okay. If it helps to see where things are, taking pictures from a distance -a bit outside the playground / from on the path- should be fine as long as you're just walking by.
The park could do with a little more imagery maybe but it isn't too bad, assuming there aren't many unmapped things there.

The POIs look a bit cluttered at the moment, the bottom left corner doesn't have the POIs in the right place at least. It may be helpful to take fieldpapers or Every Door to get a better idea of their location if it's not as easy to know/remember them well or if you just want to add them later.
Is the Esri imagery resembling how it looked like when you were there, or not?

Looks like some adjustments will be needed to the POI positions. Have you also taken new imagery?

The stream and side-stream have been re-aligned and extended in
osm.org/changeset/136671974

Hey Anne,

This changeset has been reverted by
osm.org/changeset/136668636

The bridge has been re-added in
osm.org/changeset/136669263

Regards,

Daniel

See also
- https://www.irishamericanmom.com/why-milk-churns-remind-me-of-ireland/
(identical shape and corner stone to the above)

See also
- https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1270974316247918
- https://listowelconnection.com/newbridge-house-listowel-races-2020/

Note, you are using the national orthophoto -there's also a elevation model available-. There should be (almost) no offset. National orthophotos may've only become available in the editor recently. If you track the road south you will see the first part was last edited 2014 or 2019 with Bing, Esri (and some private gps trace which isn't quite verifiable):
- osm.org/node/3217135269/history
- osm.org/node/3217135273/history
and there are few nodes in some places, which means they may not be as accurate.
Then there is nodes from 2008
osm.org/node/290742836/history
and the next part has been aligned to the aerial imagery in 2021
osm.org/node/8362757563/history
You could additionally check with the Strava heatmap layer how well it corresponds.

I would suggest asking a moderator to revert it to its previous position.

Hey Casper,

Ik stel voor covered=yes ipv covered=building_passage te gebruiken. Minder verwarrend (overdekt is ie toch).
Ik neem aan dat deze weg aan drie kanten (semi-)open is. (ook met kolommen is dit zo.)
Wellicht is dit slechts een typfout.

Groet,

Daniel

See also (used for reference only);
- https://www.digibron.nl/viewer/collectie/Digibron/offset/9/zoekwoord/melkbus/id/tag:RD.nl,20020703:newsml_5f015eca146923feac8dcc69d43a31f6
- https://www.dekrantvantoen.nl/vw/article.do?v2=true&id=DVHN-20020704-DM01015005
- https://rkd.nl/nl/explore/artists/231525

Additional links (not used) via
http://www.staphorstinbeeld.nl/index.php/component/advportfoliopro/project/11-kunst/101-de-laatste-melkbus-nieuw

Also,
- One source supposedly made a typo "C. van Heck"
https://standbeelden.vanderkrogt.net/object.php?record=OV19ad
- One source supposedly assumed "E. van Heck" was "Elsje van Heck"
https://edepot.wur.nl/152189
see
https://www.elsjevanheck.nl/elsje-van-heck/
(which I personally assume is the person it refers to)

Hey vaibhavnz,

Thanks for the addition. Do try to verify your edits using available sources in the editor, please. (other aerial imagery and streetside imagery); in this case it seems to be visible on Bing Streetside. You should specify these sources when saving your edits.
osm.wiki/Verifiability

I've added details and moved it in
osm.org/changeset/135927984

Regards,

Daniel

See also:
- https://www.glenside.org.nz/the-milkstand-rural-heritage-115.html
- https://www.wellingtoncityheritage.org.nz/buildings/151-300/211-nott-house-and-milk-stand-adjacent-to-middleton-road?q=
- https://wellington.govt.nz/-/media/your-council/plans-policies-and-bylaws/district-plan/proposed-district-plan/files/hearing-streams/03/statements-of-evidence/heritage-assessments/historic-heritage-evaluation-glenside-milk-stand-2023.pdf

See also
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/cork/lifestyle/artistic-danny-brings-scenes-of-old-kiskeam-back-to-life-in-murals/39533425.html

Hey houtari,

Yes, it does suggest this for buildings. However, it could become ambiguous which aspect is disused. Another mapper may think the museum is disused, as this is a non-physical tag, and change it to disused:tourism=museum .. as to avoid this it may be better to, as recommended otherwise, only add the lifecycle tag to the part which is no longer relevant - in this case, the milk churn stand.
osm.wiki/Lifecycle_prefix#How_to_tag

Regardless, as data user, you should use both disused:*=* and disused=* in your queries, as both of these tags are in use to describe something being disused. There may still be outdated tagging, exceptions or accidental mistagging.
osm.wiki/Key:disused:*#Former_use_(as_a_simple_tag)
(ignoring for a moment that milk churn stand is a relatively recent tag.)