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52348068 almost 8 years ago

awesome, thanks!!! If you have any spare time, would love your help with the other disambig cleanups - there are only about 500 left in the world :)

52348068 almost 8 years ago

Edward, please double check - you added a disambig wikidat to osm.org/node/4796615840 - I found it via osm.wiki/Wikipedia_Link_Improvement_Project (disambig section)

52344210 almost 8 years ago

You misunderstood. I used MediaWiki & Commons to store errors that I found in OSM. There were several people who went there to fix uncovered issues. Also, realize that there are plenty of people who gave up arguing - see last discussion osm.wiki/User_talk:Yurik Another point - I don't think adding crappy new edits manually is more important than keeping good data. I prefer less but better quality. And again - I have data to proove that it WAS bad quality, and now it has been improved. So perhaps visit my wikipedia improvement page and fix a few issues? Lastly, it is impossible to persuade everyone, especially for such a large community. And it doesn't need to.

51758719 almost 8 years ago

Thanks! I think it would be better to use "subject:wikidata" for both of them. As for the wikipedia link - its a link to part of the page - which means the wiki page is not "about the feature" - so perhaps we should use something like "related:wikipedia" ?

39718319 almost 8 years ago

I hope to use it, but it does not work with OSM object IDs. You cannot give it a set of OSM objects, and say that these tags are wrong, and should probably be another set - please confirm. You can give it a few broken polygons and tell people to fix it.

52341977 almost 8 years ago

I reverted all items tagged as lists in wikidata. There were a lot of them, and added a fixme note. The wikipedia tag description in the osm wiki says that we should only use it if the article is about the place. A list is a collection of such places. We should start a discussion on a talk... I'm not sure I have enough time to handle it though :(

39718319 almost 8 years ago

Cool, will you be able to fix it? There is a lot of backlash currently for me to edit in DE, I'm waiting for things to settle a bit. Thx!

39718319 almost 8 years ago

I agree with everything about operator:wikidata & brand:wikidata.

The first portion about key:wikipedia -- from the osm wiki: "only provide links to articles which are 'about the feature'. A link from St Paul's Cathedral in London to an article about St Paul's Cathedral on Wikipedia is fine. A link from a bus depot to the company that operates it is not (see section below).".

So I don't think osm.org/node/3376969992 should have a wikipedia tag, only operator:wikidata or brand:wikidata.

39718319 almost 8 years ago

And yes, I am not sure if we need wikipedia tags there at all, but other community members keep saying they need them :(

39718319 almost 8 years ago

Reclus, I agree with you 100% ! That's what I meant. We should rename "wikipedia" tag into something else, like "operator:wikipedia" or "brand:wikipedia", etc. And we should add corresponding "operator:wikidata". All these objects need to be fixed: http://tinyurl.com/y94mwwsg

52529481 almost 8 years ago

fair point (and no, I come from Wikipedia background and really don't like sockpuppets). Take a look at the #osm-ru IRC channel - the channel topic says: "https://telegram.me/ruosm >> жизнь переехала в телеграм" (there are ~250 people there). Also, IRC channel gets a copy of every message from Telegram.
My message was posted on 9/12 - Всем привет. Я в последнее время занимался интеграцией с Викиданными, пытаясь их чуток причесать. К примеру, часто используется тэг wikidata/wikipedia вместо более точного operator:wikipedia, или subject:.., brand:.., и т.д. Теперь когда у нас есть возможность проанализировать OSM вместе с Wikidata в одной query, предлагаю такие ляпы исправить. Например, очень много ATM указывают на банк с помощью wikidata - надо-бы их заменить на brand:wikidata (у АТМ может быть оператор, но не банк?). МакДональдс яркий пример - оператор там не подходит, так как он разный в разных странах. или даже местная компания, а вот марка универсальна везде, и позволяет легко их всех находить... Мысли?
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Для самих wikidata/wikipedia -- использовать их только если сама вики статья имеет те-же координаты. Другими словами - только при соответствии 1:1. Статья про OSM объект, и объект ссылается на статью

52427936 almost 8 years ago

Andy, that article is very long, and only mentions "Automated edits/username" once in middle. Noone has mentioned that specific piece of information until you did yesterday, and I immediately complied. Until I saw it, I was fully convinced I followed all other rules outlined there. It would have helped everyone to simply say "in addition to everything else you are doing, please add a page XXX to describe it, thanks". About 4 days : https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-September/078805.html was the last email tangentially related to the proposal.

39718319 almost 8 years ago

My tool simply shows a search result, just like OverpassTurbo, so hard to fix that :). I agree that it probably doesn't make sense to tag these objects with the brand. Does it make sense to mark them with wikipedia tag?

52341977 almost 8 years ago

The problem is that anyone using iD editor who adds "de:Liste der Stolpersteine in Ludwigsburg" wikipedia link would automatically also add the "wikidata" link. I don't think either wikipedia or wikidata link should be added, because that page is not about that node.

52341977 almost 8 years ago

Hi Michael, it would be fairly easy to find such objects with http://tinyurl.com/y9crhydx - it shows 3900 objects in the world. The problem is that once wikidata ID is removed, it won't be possible to find them anymore. Would it make sense to use a different tag from "wikipedia" for these? E.g. "related:wikipedia" ? Because these pages are not about these objects, pages simply mention them.

52427936 almost 8 years ago

Serious? The automated edits were marked with the word "auto", and I kept saying I was doing them mechanically after the discussion! You correctly pointed out that I forgot to add the auto/username wiki page, which has already been rectified. This is something you could have told me a very long time ago, instead of wasting many hours and aggravation. This sounds very much like the worst possible government bureaucracy imaginable.

39718319 almost 8 years ago

P.S. I meant these objects: http://tinyurl.com/y94mwwsg

25487216 almost 8 years ago

Доброго, а что за relation osm.org/relation/4045952 ? Очень напоминает collection, а в ОСМ по правилам их лучше не делать. Подумываю удалить если это так. Спасибо!

39718319 almost 8 years ago

OOOPS, sorry, I meant brand:wikidata and operator:wikidata :) There are currently many objects like osm.org/node/773508846 - it has wikipedia/wikidata instead of brand:wikidata and operator:wikidata. Can you fix them too? Thanks!

39718319 almost 8 years ago

Hi, many Deutsche Post have "brand:wikidata", but others use "operator:brand". Should they use the same?