Oh, sorry I did not look closer at the data before proposing this. What I mean was that those with no names or name like properties should be deleted, like those in this improved query. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/PKW

I am going to check our Swedish maps at these nodes and if nothing name like appears I’m going to ask the author to clarify what it is.

Sorry for the noise.

@mmd can it also calculate the percentages?

thanks for the tip!

This looks very promising. Thanks a lot Taylor and Kaart!

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I suppose it depends on which area is larger, the bounding box or the area of the relation. I’m not familiar with h the internals of th Hhh e server, but it is open source so you could measure yourself if you wanted 😃

Nice to see others use overpass. I warmly recommend you to enable expert mode and download directly in JOSM using the wizard. Your searches can easily be typed in using the wizard: 1) operator~”^Biblionet” in Groningen (no results, not sure why) 2) highway~”unclassified|residential” in Ezinge (results in ways around Ezinge)

I use Overpass Turbo a lot, to download only what I’m interested in. This makes it possible to download a larger area than if I were to choose normal download.

Hi @Atlas. Please don’t leave! We need people like you.

You sound really really tired of the specific situation with other contributors in your local area. Thanks for telling us that. I also don’t know italian, but reverting without discussion first is not ok IMO. Also hounding and bossing over other mappers in your area is very bad practice that I have yet to encounter in Sweden. A good mapper can let things slide for a bit and then gently nudge the new contributors in a specific direction via changeset comments and cleanups, preserving as much as possible. For more seasoned mappers in conflict I recommend the country mailing list + wiki and trying to strike a consensus of how to map if anything not specific to a certain object or place.

I urge you to try to edit the map somewhere else. In Sweden we are very friendly :D and have truckloads of work to do with our roads (high quality data from government needs to be traced), paths in nature reserves, etc. Send me a PM if you are interested in joining and have fun mapping (it does not matter if you live here or not).

Lastly I will say that mapping together is not always an easy task because we are so different and have different levels and experience of solving conflicts. I take breaks sometimes when I feel that something is becoming too important.

Cheers pangoSE

Big thanks! I learned something new. I would love to populate wikidata with queries and results like this to ingest statistics about OSM there with regular intervals. Anyone interested in joining in the effort?

What measures are interesting to you?

• Number of buildings per country?
• Total distance of trunks?
• Total distance of paths?
• Total area of beaches?
• …

@Heather Thanks for this summary and thanks for your work on the board. I’m sorry to hear you have had such a hard time on the board. I have been in OSM for years without hardly meeting any others physically and I have had a great experience communicating with fellow Swedish and Danish mappers online via comments and email mostly.

I am personally puzzled about the way OSM/OSMF goes about organizing their organization and infrastructure but honestly I have not felt their influence that much.

I rely on JOSM and Overpass API which has nothing to do with OSMF, but the first is supported by OSMDE judging by their website. The OSM database is practically always online (thanks for that whoever you are who keep it running!) which is the only element in my toolchain that depends on the OSMF and from what I understand OSMF does not do much direct work or policy deciding around how to organize the database/API/osm.org. Unlike Wikimedia which has a whole other organization built up and with servers, reoccurring campaigning, technical staff and server resources allocated in a very different and more centralized way.

I use Swedish governmental sources which have been released as a consequence of Wikimedia Sweden and others (not OSMF what I know) lobbying for years for Open Data (on EU level). I map with a GPS-phone I bought for 100 SEK and I’m happy!

If you are fed up with talk and boardwork come help us in Sweden. We have loads of missing roads to draw from high quality sources (Trafikverket Roads layer), etc.

I invite you to take breaks and do as I do and go to the woods and have fun and perhaps you will forget for a while about all the things you/we have a hard time changing :) (You are very welcome in Sweden. We have thousands of natural reserves and many more kilometers of trails (see this query for all the parks https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Ohe NB: 70 MB!)

@imagico I agree, it would be interesting to see e.g. hot spots for people writing diary entries.

We got the permission: osm.wiki/Permissions/Strava so go ahead and trace!

Hi. Regarding “truly FOSS, ad and tracker free navigation app” I find OsmAnd to be just that. Have you tried it? It works really well for me and I have used it for navigating both in the woods on foot as well as in the city and on vacation, driving by car.

I replied to Strava with: “Hello Scarlett

Thanks for getting back to me.

I did not get a response to my question, so I would like to ask if you could please escalate this to your manager or to somebody authorized to give me a yes or no if I am allowed to trace from your heatmaps.

Note that in 2014 we got the permission from Paul Mach, Former Director of Strava Labs: “https://twitter.com/paulmach/status/455182880306905088 Guillaume Rischard: «OK to use heatmap in JOSM editor?» Paul Mach, Former Director of Strava Labs: «Feel free to use the heatmap tiles for any map editing» 13 apr 2014”

I believe that this is win-win situation for Strava and OSM. Strava could increase their brand recognition and realize better quality maps if this were permitted. A lot of OSM-contributors are potential Strava users also. There are literally millions of OSM contributors.

If you permit us to trace from your map you benefit by having a better background map and a large possible userbase at Strava.

Thanks for taking this one step further by asking a manager to give us a yes or no.

Thanks in advance

Cheers pangoSE on behalf of the 5.8 million OpenStreetMap volunteers. osm.org/stats/data_stats.html”

Oh, both the domain and any subpages I tried gave 404 after a long time of loading. Now they work again.

This is good Andy! Could you contribute this to CartoOSM?

You are suggesting, if I understand correctly, to change the definition of the following: natural=water = only “natural” water lakes is tagged with this landuse=reservoir = water surface not a lake, man_made landuse=basin = any water surface not covered and not a lake, not a reservoir

Is that correct? As I stated above this is very unprecise. I want a precise, well maintained geodatabase with a tagging scheme that helps adding more details. E.g. I invented water=bay for the specific purpose to tag bays (sv, da fjord) as that are mostly covered by land but connected to the sea, thus nor a lake nor a lagoon.

In my editing the last two days I found loads of riverbanks only tagged with natural=water. Do you know why? Because it shows up blue on the map. I think I am going to suggest to CartoOSM that they stop rendering elements only tagged natural=water to create an impetus for editors to be more precise.

Right now their meaning according to the wiki is:

natural=water * can be tagged along amenity=fountain (= not a lake) * can be tagged along water= tags * can be added along other tags specifying wasteplants etc. * if it has no other tags it is unclear what it represents

landuse=basin * An area of land artificially graded to hold water. Note that this definition includes also structures typically without water. Usually these features are made for man made water courses e.g. storm water, water treatment.

landuse=reservoir * Man made body of stored water. May be covered or uncovered. Usually formed by a dam over a natural water course, water then backs up into a natural valley or depression. Equal to natural=water + water=reservoir

As an aside JOSM adds the tags from the approved proposal we are discussing. I’m fine with that but I guess you are not. E.g. if you choose reservoir it adds natural=water + water=reservoir.

I’m sorry but I disagree again. A quick search on the wiki brought this up: osm.wiki/Tag:attraction%3Dwater_slide which I think is a good tag for this thing. Basin is something completely different as you can see on the wiki.

I disagree with keeping the tagging scheme stale when it is clearly not detailed enough. As the database gets richer and richer and more and more detailed drone and orthography becomes available we will need to revise broken/cumbersome schemes.

I really like the water= tag because it is easy in an editor like JOSM to list the different values. That means I dont have to remember as many tags in total.

@Tomas It sounds like you have given up. The only discussion I found on tagging was from 2011 but I did not search very thoroughly. Maybe you disagree about the whole subtags discussion as well? I like when we can agree on something and move forward. Sometimes I disagree with stuff but often I am convinced by the arguments.

I have one more example of unfortunate tagging with natural=water (that makes it render on the map but is data quality wise quite useless): osm.org/way/76372599 All the “water” = waterslides in there are tagged natutal=water ONLY. Can we agree that this is not optimal? Can we agree that when I want the number of lakes in cyprus and search for natural=water and gets these in return something is wrong? I believe that both iD and JOSM until recently lets this pass without complaining. In JOSM we just added a validation that would have catched this.

I disagree. The tagging of swimming pool was changed to leisure=swimming_pool. See osm.wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dbasin

If you believe that introducing water= was a mistake I invite you to state it on the tagging mailing list and perhaps create a new proposal on the wiki to clean up the mess.

@Tomas I don’t share your concerns at all. This approved water scheme enables you to qualify what type of object/function the body of water is. I found many natural=water that are swimming pools and industrial reservoirs that are clearly mistagged. This means that currently if you try to estimate the number of naturally formed lakes in the world from our data you have a lot of problems with mistagged elements.

We can do better. A MapRoulette challenge for every natural=water without water= or waterway= would probably be a good idea. :)