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142550638 almost 2 years ago

Could you please first send me an OSM message ( outside the changeset discussion) describing what your "cleanup" is. One problem I see is that your new "main" route is not obvious. Than there is the problem that we have two different routes in the web-based documentation (Veneto Strade and Regione Veneto) and then, a third one signed on the ground. I suggest we stop both inserting data and first of all agree on what want to achieve, and then agree on how to map it. Maybe we can chat or videoconference on WhatsApp? Not today, however.
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142550638 almost 2 years ago

Sorry about this. But I had kindly asked to freeze that operation. I was trying to update details unrelated to the big picture of how to the I1 route is organized. I had assumed you were pausig. When I tried to upload my rsther big changeset I found a conflict. You were apparently changing the relation to superroute (which may or may not be a good idea),. In orfer to save my details I had to revert your re-arrangement.
Please stop with that intervention, until we have a better picture of what is on the ground. In particular I had corrected the on the ground detailsof the E7 relation exactly where it intersects the I1. In fact in the Regione Veneto documentation of I1 they "use" a part of the E7 that does noot carry any I1 signs (the part that goes to Lago Fimon). In addition the E7 signing on the ground takes a different course on the ground than in the official documentation. I am off for a bike tour now. Please leave things untouched there.

109586129 almost 2 years ago

The problem is that the signposted route and the one on the official website do not coincide. I cannot say if the status of the relation before your changes was correct. I know the part form Vicenza to Venice quite well, and I put a large number of guidepost in the relation. I hpe you have not removed or altered any of them, because nearly all of them had been verified on the ground. One thing that is important: conceptually the route did only contain a main route and spurs, but no variants. This may have changed conceptually, but what should count is the on-the-ground signposts. Also be careful with your source: as you can see the link you quote is an archive site, not the official site of the Regione Veneto (https://www.veneto.eu/IT/Garda-Venezia/) , which shows a route that is definitively not in all places in accordance with the sign posts on the grounds

109586129 almost 2 years ago

Please wait before doing anything more on this. What's the base for your changes? I looked at your new relation 16478126. At first glance, at least some of these are not part of I1. The I1 route needs to follow the sign on the ground. These signs are admittedly confusing in parts. In particular there are three different routes involved: "I1", "I2", "I1/I2", which partially coincide or overlap. There are also segment where "I1" and "I2" share the same ways, and these segments are signposted also with "I1/I2".
Volker (Padova)

138416159 almost 2 years ago

way 1188645879, v2: what kind of permit is requested here? from whom?

Volker

80899112 almost 2 years ago

Ciao Davide,
Con questo changeset hai creato la relazione 10704337.
Potresti aggiunger un riferimento web con la descrizione del percorso e della segnaletica.

Grazie
Volker (Padova)

116547564 almost 2 years ago

Grazie Marco,
Hai trovato un bell'errore mio. Dovrebbe essere apposto adesso.
Volker

118390063 almost 2 years ago

Removed node 9572349875. This crossing node connected the motorway (!) in a tunnel at layer=-1 with a foot-cycleway at layer 0. Please be careful and pay attention to editor warnings when inserting data.

121768721 almost 2 years ago

Hi.
in this changeset you modified way 361868924 incorrectly, in my view:
(1) You changed the mapping from highway=service to highway=cycleway - this is not correct. This road is a service road, but without motorized traffic (one conseqeunce is that horses are allowed). Highway=cycleway would imply "bicycle designate", which is not the case - the corresponding road signs are not present.
(2) You removed incorrectly "embankment=yes"
(3) You removed lit=no for no reason
(4) the tag railway=abandoned is wrong here on single way - it is to be used on the route relation
(5) you removed the razed:railway=rail incorrectly. In fact the road uses the old railway bed, but the rails have been remove and replaced by a road-like surface. (6) yo incorrectly removed the smoothness, surface, and width tags. These are useful tags, independently of the main highway=* tag.

I suppose that you have done the same operation on may ways of that ex-railway-now-bicycle route. Please note that the pieces of the ex-railway (including stations, block stations, some bridge bits) are also part of a historic railway relation, which is not a route relation, but an (experimental) site relation.
Before I or you do any changes, let's agree on how to do it outside this changeset discussion (using the user-to-user messaging system of OSM).

138521276 about 2 years ago

In the meantime I realized that the bollards that separated the cycle lanes from the road, and justified the mapping as a separate way, have been removed recently. Therefore I changed the mapping back to the cycle lane scheme tagged on the road way.

128441226 about 2 years ago

Reverting. There is a separately mapped segregated foot-cycle-way

93713223 about 2 years ago

Hi. I suppose Way: 868053258 is an error and can be removed.

134776946 over 2 years ago

Penso che questo, al livello pratico, non è necessario. Tutta linea 3 è appaltata. Io la metterei in costruzione en bloc. La Linea 2 non è ancora in appalto, quindi proposed.

134776946 over 2 years ago

La linea 3 è ufficialmente già in costruzione. Alcuni cantieri sono già stati transennati.
La linea 2 è ancora in fase di progetto.
Ma, attenzione, come già detto, il percorso della linea 3, almeno nella zona Voltabarozzo, è approssimativo.

134776946 over 2 years ago

Ciao Diegomodulo,
quale è la fonte per il percorso del nuovo tram per Voltabarozzo? Manca nel changeset. Inoltre non mi Il percorso non mi sembra giusto almeno nella zona del Ponte di Voltabarozzo

56092530 over 2 years ago

How come that you see a mini-roundabout here?
(I removed it)

131162919 over 2 years ago

Ciao. Vedo che citi OpenTopoMap come fonte. OTM, essendo solo un'altra visualuzzazione degli stessi dati OpenStreetMap non è una fonte valida.

125917694 over 2 years ago

I don't think the tag railway=yard is correct. This building is an ex-railway station, but not an active rail yard (stazione merci). From what I know, discussions are under way to re-enable it as a train stop for some local trains.

82679674 over 2 years ago

Con questo changeset hai messo lock=no e intermittent=yes su alcune waterway a Battaglia Terme. Mi sembra un errore.

122825565 over 2 years ago

Hi. With this changeset you changed the cycleway and footway tagging of Via Padova (way 4042612) from the actual situation of lanes painted on the carriageway to separate ways ("cycleway=track" and "sidewalk=both"). In addition you removed the oneway-for-bicycle information. Please revert the tagging to the situation of 26/04/2022. Thank you. Volker, Padova.