Pista Ciclabile Via Regia (relation 8342152): Quale è la fonte per questa ciclovia? C'è segnaletica sul terreno?

Thanks. Updated the tagging.

Lo so.il mio punto era proprio questo. Hai modificato una way che corrispondeva a un oggetto che non c'era più sul terreno. Quando si aggiorna un oggetto è anche una indicazione che esiste ancora. E' un rischio del armchair mapping. Tutto lì.

Con questo changeset del 2021 hai messo un attributo sulla way osm.org/way/109804430 con source=survey . Questo roundabout già nel 2019 non c'era più. Attenzione con StreetComplete, se non vai sul posto! Lo correggo adesso.

Canaletta Pisani needs corrections. I started to correct the geometry, but stopped, when I noticed it has layer=-1 over the entre length. Also the available satellite imagery is not good enough to complete the corrections. Maybe you have a better data source,

Ciao.
L'oasi Rossato è ancora chiusa?
Volker

Thanks for spotting this error. Should be OK now.

Because that part is no longer part of the official route, but a few signposts of the old version of the route are still in place. This is a mistake and they need to be removed by Veneto Strade, who are the contractors for the maintenance of the route. I left those signposts in OSM for the time being, It will help me to guide their technicians to the correct places.

Non mi avevo detto come volevi la cambiare la "mia" mappatura.
Sono cosciente che è mai stata proposta formalmente (come tanti altri aspetti della ciclabilità).

Posso chiederti intanto di non modificare i "dismount" che ttovi nel database.
Sono d'accordo sulle tue affermazioni sull'autocentricità ecc.
Se hai una proposta di migliorare la mappatura, apriamo una discussione sulla mailing list, prima di modificare la mappatura esistente. Andiamo con calma. Grazie.
Volker

Thanks for intercepting this error, caused by fat finger syndrome.
The contents of the note is referring to to different colour schemes used on the signposts of the same bicycle route.

Ciao Alessandro,
Conosco da anni questo parere. È molto ambiguo. Il problema è che questa interpretazione è sicuramente solo conosciuta fra gli addetti al lavoro, sicuramente non presso gli automobilisti normali. Poi bisogna stare anche attenti alla differenza fra "si può attraversarla" e l'aspetto precedenza. C'è chi dice che, si, puoi attraversare in sella, ma non hai la precedenza sul traffico sulla strada, precedenza che hai solo se attraversi a piedi. Se non fosse così, che cosa serve la distinzione tra un attraversamento pedonale e un attraversamento ciclabile? Ci sono segnali orizzontali e verticali diversi per i due casi. Ho deciso di mappare in modo cauto in vista di questo casino.

Per inciso, l'italia è uno dei pochissimi paesi che conosce la differenza fra attraversamento pedonale e ciclabile.

Volker

Sure. Thank you for fixing this.

Hi
what is this:
2IRT (899381621, v1)
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What is the source of this data?

Hi.
With this changeset you started to add micromapping to the Viadotto Monteroni. I have several comments for discussion / suggestions for corrections.
1) The man_made=bridge polygon should not coincide with the outer highway=footway linear way, rather it should include them. The highway ways should only be connected to the short ends of the man_made=bridge polygon. See the schematics of the man_made=bridge wiki page.
2) The emergency highway=footway have no access points and no emergency stairways on the entire length of the viaduct. In order to reach them the pedestrian has to climb over a guardrail. Also they are very narrow. I would not map them at all. Alternatively one could map the guardrails, including height.
3) If the footways are mapped they should have correct width=* tags
4) You are using area:highway=trunk. That single polygon includes both highway=trunk carriageways. I would interpret the corresponding wiki page as requesting separate area:highway=trunk polygons for each direction.
5) Embankment tags are missing for the ramps that lead to the viaduct.
6) At the southern end the bridge=yes tag extends into the ramp part beyond the end of the emergency footways.
7) At the northern end of the viaduct the bridge=yes tags are present for a further 900m where the road is not on a bridge. Part of that is on an embankment that ends roughly behond the cemetery
8) South of Via Lauretana there is a dirt track that runs all the way under the western carriageway of the viaduct to its southern end. This is not mapped.

Volker (Padova)

Hi. In this changeset you have inserted, *amongst many others I suppose) way 402335175 as members into the two relations Ciclovia del Sole and Eurovelo 7 - Sun Route. As far as I am aware there is no signposting on the ground. What is the basis of your mapping with regards to the relation memberships? Your source information only says "own gpx traces". Volker Padova, Italy

Must be an error. My apoogies. Can you extract the added guideposts before the rervert?
Thanks

Could you please first send me an OSM message ( outside the changeset discussion) describing what your "cleanup" is. One problem I see is that your new "main" route is not obvious. Than there is the problem that we have two different routes in the web-based documentation (Veneto Strade and Regione Veneto) and then, a third one signed on the ground. I suggest we stop both inserting data and first of all agree on what want to achieve, and then agree on how to map it. Maybe we can chat or videoconference on WhatsApp? Not today, however.
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Sorry about this. But I had kindly asked to freeze that operation. I was trying to update details unrelated to the big picture of how to the I1 route is organized. I had assumed you were pausig. When I tried to upload my rsther big changeset I found a conflict. You were apparently changing the relation to superroute (which may or may not be a good idea),. In orfer to save my details I had to revert your re-arrangement.
Please stop with that intervention, until we have a better picture of what is on the ground. In particular I had corrected the on the ground detailsof the E7 relation exactly where it intersects the I1. In fact in the Regione Veneto documentation of I1 they "use" a part of the E7 that does noot carry any I1 signs (the part that goes to Lago Fimon). In addition the E7 signing on the ground takes a different course on the ground than in the official documentation. I am off for a bike tour now. Please leave things untouched there.