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159907981 9 months ago

There is that benefit I guess, but I just wish all the websites would update their logos and links for efficiency of user agent look-up. So long as the data is there all is good in some discoverable form, just as I've gotten used to sidewalk/soccer terms.

159907981 9 months ago

Weird how auto-correct is contact:x to contact:twitter, the old name, the auto-redirected domain, that is falling out of common use, and near totally in media broadcasts.

159916408 9 months ago

Why not highway=path and foot=yes, if these are not properly established routes? What is the surface?

159579802 9 months ago

Was the reference not amended to include suffix 'D'?

159566619 9 months ago

This is one of those exception cases I think as it is the main route from A47 to the village of North Pickenham itself - despite being narrow as is rather typical of most rural Norfolk roads. Many are tertiary grade, salted as priority routes, etc.

159566619 9 months ago

This is still a legal, council prioritised tertiary grade road - even if the maintenance of it is poor. Please consider reverting to tertiary.

149706783 9 months ago

Curious definition of dual. Implies two roads, parallel to each other. Both Department of Transport and Council Speed Awareness course instructor confirmed to me that on-slips are national single carriageway limit, up to the point that the grass separator ends and they become the dual carriageway road. Doesn’t stop everyone going faster than that of course. Official stance is that merging at 60 mph is closer and therefore safer to average traffic speed of lane 1.

146256268 10 months ago

One technicality to mention though is that once an onslip itself no longer has physical separation but forms part of one continuous road surface of the main parallel dual route then it can be considered 70 mph, generally parallel enough by that point too to meet the legal definition.

146256268 10 months ago

I'm not sure they can be called expressways either, since cyclists, pedestrians and even horses are permitted.

146256268 10 months ago

This wasn't a correction, but a degradation in OSM data quality. If you contact Department of Transport, or any Speed Awareness Course leader you’ll be told that dual carriageway (not motorway) on/off-slips in the UK are treated as a single road just like any other single carriageway, and so in law remain 60 mph for safety blending with main expressway traffic. Commonly broken law, admittedly.

159104700 10 months ago

Please give this a read:
https://www.whnsolicitors.co.uk/newsroom/individuals/private-road-laws-uk/

It seems Southampton council don’t have a good understanding of common law, or they have curious by-laws for their particular jurisdiction. It has affected your judgement. Never assume councils know what they are talking about, or that their data is up-to-date or complete for that matter.

Roads can be adopted, or unadopted, and at the same time either publicly or privately-owned.

In this case from NSG:
USRN: 4600057
ABELS CLOSE, FELTHORPE
Classification: Neither M, A, B or C
Responsibility: Not maintainable at public expense, Private Street Manager.

159084522 10 months ago

You also appear to reject the existing wiki article specifically mentioning 'for residents only' access being treated the same as access=private.

159084522 10 months ago

Yet you reject access=destination, access=permissive on a basis of being uncertain yourself. Also, is this not a discussion itself, which you already publicly highlighted for others to comment on?

159084522 10 months ago

I have yet to get any rational justification for your strange view. How would you handle an unlocked gate for example, on private land, signed private? Granted there are those who need access in that case such as delivery agents. Ordinary public taking photo on said ground? I think not.

159084522 10 months ago

There have even been cases of thin 'ransom strips' of land being privately acquired in order to prevent access over otherwise public or accessible highway. There doesn't even need a sign to be there, just that the land itself be privately owned. Much like I wouldn't tolerate you on my home patch of private land.

159084522 10 months ago

It is clearly private because of the signage stating it is private or "for residents only". The land at supermarkets is private too but with customer permission while opening, gates and secured facility after locking up. Why are you struggling with this?

159084522 10 months ago

Your lack of understanding of private roads. Seriously, go search for 'uk what makes a road private' in your favourite AI search utility. Private roads don't necessarily need to display a 'private' sign, but they ideally should. Under your definition you would be happy to trespass on private land. In the UK, a road is private if it’s not on the highway authority’s list of roads they maintain, or if it’s unadopted. The NSG here states: USRN: 4600057
ABELS CLOSE, FELTHORPE
Classification: Neither M, A, B or C
Responsibility: Not maintainable at public expense, Private Street Manager, Street State: Open.

159084522 10 months ago

So a private landowner can have a road they maintain, a private sign, but it’s not actually private unless they erect some form of physical barrier? The private-signed road outside my house, where certain residents who zoom down here get very tetchy towards geriatric dog walkers attempting to make use of it.

159084522 10 months ago

Of out of curiosity, when would you tag a road as access=private?

159102757 10 months ago

Don't you think that same convenience and simplicity should apply to the data users of OpenStreetMap? There’s a reason these highways are mapped as separate ways. Just wish the council's system had it like that too. They often only just deal with simple junction geometry.

I could just about accept highway=trunk_link for the straight-ahead per green arrow LED traffic lights here, since eastbound connects with highway=service.