During the OpenStreetMap x Wikidata monthly meetup, we decide the person who abuse the data from Facebook MapwithAI project, the user whose account starts with c, his contribution of road data that has not been touched will all be removed. MapwithAI have trouble recognized dry creek as road, or recognized high-voltage power line as road. Manual judge by human mappers is still needed.

Despite complains from OpenStreetMap mappers, there are Rudy Map users or foreign hikers in Taiwan complain about strange mountain road that seems appears from no where. It is time that OpenStreetMap communities should interfere, otherwise that will be huge amount of low quality data import into OpenStreetMap.

We have to observate that person if he will be upset and revert back his edit. If this is the case, it is time that Data Working Group to deal with.

週一的月聚上，決定把濫用 MapwithAI 資料的 c 開頭使用者，他編輯的資料只要沒有動過的，版本是 1 的道路都移除掉。太多把乾溪谷辨識為道路的狀況。而在都市裡頭，則是沒有建築，陰影處辨識為巷弄，但實際上並沒有巷弄，比對 NLSC Open Data 版本之後也沒發現有巷弄。

繼續查下去，上次他在 12/31 的編輯也弄了一堆 MapwithAI 的道路資料進來，也該好好檢視狀況。他怎麼那麼有自信 AI 判斷都對，已經有不少狀況如前面提及的乾溪谷，還有高壓電塔下面，都會誤判是道路。需要人工判斷是否是道路，也是人類編輯需要介入的時機。

目前除了圖客的抱怨之外，已經有魯地圖的使用者，以及在台灣爬山的外國人，抱怨 OpenStreetMap 圖資出現奇怪無來由的山區道路。這時候 OpenStreetMap 社群需要介入，免得誤判的資料大量進來 OpenStreetMap，社群有限的人力無法好好審核導致圖資品質大幅下降。

接著就看這位人兄，是否會不爽然後又恢復他的編輯，如果到那一步就有 Data Working Group 介入的時機了。

The one who solved the mystery of Taiwan Power Company grid, Dan Jacobson noticed that the dataset of Taiwan Power Company’s power pole is added with an additional field of coordinates. He announced his findings in OpenStreetMap Taiwan Facebook Group and Talk-TW mailing list.

But the data is released with TWD67 coordinates with special parameters, could not transform directly into WGS84. Thanks typebook for the help to transform the dataset into WGS84. It will make further works much easier.

Jacobson asked Taiwan Power company about the coordinates. He said that Taiwan Power Company will add the dataset with TWD96 coordinates. But we don’t know the exactly update date.

There are many dataset with coordinates released on Taiwan governments’ open data portals. These dataset includes police station, freeway ETC toll gates location, YouBike station is imported into OpenStreetMap. But for foundational dataset like address, there are only Tainan and Taichung address available. We Taiwanese Mappers want the whole country’s address dataset is released in the future.

先前破解台電電力座標之迷的積丹尼，注意到台電的電桿資料加上座標了，並且在 Facebook 社團與 Talk-TW 郵件論壇談這件情。不過台電他們釋出的資料採用的 TWD67 套用特別的參數，導致無法直接轉為 WGS84。還好有 typebook 協助轉成 WGS84 格式，要進行後續匯入方便許多。

積丹尼也詢問台電那邊，會在之後資料集釋出時，附上 TWD97 的座標，只是就不知道何時會進行。

台灣的開放資料當中，有不少有座標的資料集，先前就有派出所、高速公路 ETC 收費桿、YouBike 站匯入 OpenStreetMap。不過比較偏基礎圖資的地址，還只有台南市與台中市釋出來，希望有一天全台灣的地址能夠釋出來。

中國人在 OSM 日記抱怨 OpenStreetMap 沒有遵循中國法規，沒有「正確」標示藏南、台灣是中國的，沒有遵循中國的一中政策。看完全沒有編輯記錄也許是假帳號吧，然後引來 Data Working Group，一位中國圖客，以及我一位台灣人解釋實際運作方式，覺得蠻好笑的。

我知道 [Mapbox CN] 有「因地制宜」弄符合中國法國版本地圖，那時看到 weeklyOSM 有報導，貼到台灣的 Facebook 社團 OpenStreetMap 台灣，引發眾人不滿。Mapbox CN 的產業也許是這位人兄該去用的。

身為台灣人，常常要應對這類中國人的質疑，有時他們會真的動手修改不符合他們意識型態的東西，修改回來是不難，三不五時要修改回來有時也不勝其擾的。

從這一篇日記文來看，GNS 資料就有錯誤的情形。

One of my friend says the Taiwanese technology review website Daodu have a article and Podcast discuss about OpenStreetMap, which is actually the discusion brought by Joe Morrison, reviewing big companies like Apple, Facebook, Microsoft have an unofficial alley fighting against Google. For the technology issue, OpenStreetMap is quite a small minority topic. I think if you are not in the geoinformation industrial, and does not read mass amount of technology news, you will not be familiar with OpenStreetMap. Anyway it is good thing to have some coverage in Taiwan.

In my personal option the Daodu article is quite shallow, especially the most important part which give OpenStreetMap its unique standing point, is that united big technology companies like Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, all decide to support OpenStreetMap project by different methods to avoid using Google Maps. If you do not have your own map solution, you have to use the market’s best solution, that is your enemy’s product Google Maps. So these companies accumulate data on OpenStreetMap, supporting the open source map solution, and they do not need to make a map solution on scratch.

Due to Taiwan media environment, media outlet have editors monitor English media to ediit and translate news reports into Mandarin news articles. Daodu used materials that was already discuss for a while in OpenStreetMap ecosystem, and did not follow the activities of local communities in Taiwan. The community in Taiwan is more emphasizing on basic infrastructure, their work is not that easy to get attention on the internet.

For those who want know more about OpenStreetMap project in Taiwan, you could search for the keyword, there are some articles on the first page of search result. I once worked for a technology media, sometimes have the chance to write about OpenStreetMap and the community.

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很感謝朋友告知這篇科技島讀的報導，基本上是 Joe Morrison 談大科技公司採取不公開的結盟方式要對抗 Google 地圖的台灣中文編譯版本。而對於台灣的媒體，OpenStreetMap 算很偏的，要不是地理資訊產業的從業者，要不就是可能要看過不少外電科技新聞而且看的量多，才會對 OpenStreetMap 有些印象，有曝光就是不錯的事情。

我自己感覺這篇有點寫得太淺了，尤其我覺得最重要的部分，六大派圍攻光明頂：微軟、蘋果、Facebook在累積開放街圖資料是採取合作能度。因為三家大科技公司，不想受制 Google，用 Google 地圖的話，每年都要繳錢給自己的敵人。如果地圖體驗是不是那麼關鍵，往往考慮弄自己的圖資，自己從頭弄太辛苦收效甚微，不如就支持開源的方案。

由於台灣媒體環境的關係，不少從業人員都是看到英文媒體撰寫有統整性的文章，再採取編譯的方式翻譯為中文，所以內容都已經在英文媒體與相關社群有討論了，相關討論已經流傳一陣子了，而且脫離本地的社群脈落。由於 OpenStreetMap 偏向基礎建設，所以不是那麼容易在網海當中引起大家注意。 不少國際社群，在台灣都有對應的本地社群。大家會在這邊也應該是各種因綠際會過來的，都歡迎大家別單純潛水，可以參與各種話題，也能在此發問，增加這邊話題多樣性。

建議大家想要瞭解本地 OpenStreetMap 狀況，以前我也寫過幾篇文章介紹 OpenStreetMap，有帶到本地情況，散見在我曾工作的地方，以及自己的部落格。

我也聽完了島讀這集 Podcast，聽完後我感覺有種疏離感，簡單用一句話給贊助商時段比有混社群的人回饋本地社群在做的事情還重要。島讀戴著商管的眼鏡，就是用中文念外文新聞，著重在美國媒體的議題設定：各大科技公司在地理資訊的競爭。除了要大家有帶入感而提及使用線上地圖的經驗，仍然是談論矽谷公司的商戰競爭。

外國媒體彭博社報導一項毋是新消息的代誌，彼咧是佇中國內蒙古的朱日和基地內底有親像台灣總統府衙的建築。毋過幾若冬進前已經予軍武迷注意點，甚至媒體已經報導過。

Guā-kok muî-thé Bloomberg pò-tō tsi̍t-hāng m̄ sī sin-siau-sit ê tāi-tsì, he teh sī tī Tiong-kok Lāi-Mongolia ê Ti-ji̍t-hô-ki-tuē lāi-tué ū tshin-tshiūnn Tâi-uân-Tsóng-thóng-hú-gê ê kiàn-tio̍k. M̄-koh kuí-nā-tang tsìn-tsîng í-king hōo kun-bú-bê tsù-ì-tio̍h, sīm-tsì muî-thé í-king pò-tō kè. 中國彼爿不只是佇軍事基地內底建親像台灣總統府衙等等的重要軍政地點的建築，猶閣有佇內蒙古的沙漠複製映刻台灣中部重要的軍事機場的清泉崗機場。

Tiong-kok hit pîng put-tsí-sī tī kun-sū-ki-tuē lāi-tué kiàn tshin-tshiūnn Tâi-uân ê Tsóng-thóng-hú-gê tíng-tíng ê tiōng-iàu kun-tsìng tuē-tiám ê kiàn-tio̍k, iáu-koh ū tī lāi-Mongolia ê sua-bo̍k ho̍k-tsè ìn-khik Tâi-uân-tiong-pōo tiōng-iàu ê kun-ki-tiûnn ê Tshing-tsuân-kong-ki-tiûnn.

中國長期對台灣有領土野心，因為台灣島控制中國進出西太平洋的重要孔道。另外中國對台灣自我治理的政府嘛一直看無順眼，一直想方設法愛消滅台灣以國家的型式存在的事實，聲稱愛「統一」台灣變成中國一個省予中國管理。中國仿做台灣tiōng-iàu軍事基地，供解放軍訓練模擬進攻臺灣軍政地點，並毋是新消息。

Tiong-kok tn̂g-kî tuì Tâi-uân ū líng-thóo-iá-sim, in-uī Tâi-uân-tóo khòng-tsè Tiong-kok tsìn-tshut Se-Thài-pîng-iûnn ê Tiōng-iàu kháng-tō. Līng-guā Tiong-kiōng tuì Tâi-uân tsū-guá tī-lí ê tsìng-hú mā it-ti̍t khuànn bô sūn-gán, it-ti̍t siong-hong-siat-huat ài siau-bia̍t Tâi-uân í kok-ka ê hîng-sik tsûn-tsāi ê sū-si̍t, sing-tshing ài “thóng-it” Tâi-uân piàn-sîng Tiong-kok tsit4-ê síng hōo Tiong-kok kuán-lí. Tiong-kok hóng-tsō Tâi-uân tiōng-iàu kun-sū-ki-tuē, kiong kái-hòng-kun hùn-liān bôo-gí tsìn-kong Tâi-uân kun-tsìng tuē-tiám, pīng m̄ sī sin-siau-sit.

你會當佇開放街圖頂懸共台北的總統府衙和朱日和基地內底仿製的建築互相比較，看有啥物無仝佮相仝的所在。已經有圖客畫仿製的模擬訓練的建築啦。

Lí ē-tàng tī khai-hòng-kue-tôo tíng-kuân kā Tâi-pak ê Tsóng-thóng-hú-gê hām Tsu-ji̍t-hô-ki-tuē lāi-tué hóng-tsè ê kiàn-tio̍k hōo-siong pí-khah, khuànn ū siánn-mih bô kâng kah sio-kâng ê sóo-tsāi. Í-king ū tôo-kheh uē hóng-tsè ê bôo-gí hùn-liān ê kiàn-tio̍k–lah.

彭博社再次提及並不是新消息的事情，內蒙古朱日和基地內像台灣總統府的建築。幾年前衛星圖曝光後，早已經在軍武迷間引起討論，甚至媒體都報導過了。

中國那邊不只有在軍事訓練基地仿台灣總統府建築等重要軍政要地，還有在內蒙古沙漠復刻台灣中部重要軍事基地的清泉崗機場。

中國長期對台灣有野心，因為台灣島是控制進出西太平洋的重要孔道。另外對台灣島上自我治理的政府，有時被人稱為台灣，也相當看不順眼，一直想方設法要消滅台灣存在的事實，聲稱要「統一」台灣置於中國統治之下。中國仿造重要軍政設施，供中國人民解放軍訓練模擬進攻，並不是新消息。

你可以在開放街圖上面比對台北的總統府建築與朱日何基地仿製的建築異同 (仿造建築, 臺灣總統府)，已經有圖客繪製仿製的模擬訓練建築。

Bloomberg once again describes the building resemble Taiwan’s Presidential Office in the military training base of Zhurihe, which is in Inner Mongolia, China. These stuffs actually are not new information, there are already discussed between military fans and even reported by the media.

There are not only one military base that have buildings or structures resemble Taiwan’ critical political and military infrastructures. The mimic of Taichung Ching Chuan Kang Airport in central Taiwan is also in the desert of inner Mongolia.

China has a long time ambition of Taiwan island due to its critical location of western pacific ocean, and see the government which self-rule the island, someone call Taiwan as a threat, which claimed some day will unite the island under China rules. It is no new news that found training infrastructure that looks like Taiwan critical infrastructures.

You could compare the outline of both buildings on OpenStreetMap (Mimic building, Taiwan Presidential Office), some mappers already map these mimic buildings or infrastructures.

烏魯木齊附近的一座大型集中營，在幾個月前被中國圖客改為教育機構，移除原先監獄的標籤。根據中國官方說法，這些設施是再教育機構，想必這位中國圖客據此而改掉。

前幾日 Buzzfeednews 出了一篇報導，指出新疆 (東土耳其斯坦) 其實出現更多集中營設施，而且有不少座設施也擴充了，佔地變得更大。集中營的數量與設施範圍變得更大，可以假設有更多人被送進來。有 OSM 圖客重新檢視曾被辨識出來的集中營設施，其中一座位於烏魯木齊近郊大板城一帶，原先設施西側出現新的設施，意味沒有關閉跡像。

有些圖客看到新聞報導新疆狀況，想要有個集中營設施的清單，如果有人變動，像是刪除或是改標為學校，可以追蹤變化，甚至再加回去。

有些中國圖客捍衛他政府的說法，一直說這些集中營設施是給維吾爾人的再教育營。但對於 OSM 圖客來說，只有在很明顯的證據的情形下，才能變動甚至移除原先畫的東西，如果沒有則應該留下原先標示的東西。我一直打擾到先前編輯，將監獄改成學校的中國圖客，希望編輯變動通知不會造成他的困擾。

我希望有人能在那些設施拍 Mapillary 影像，可以依據影像中拍到的再教育營設施，然後確定這些設施的確是教育用途，而從裡面走出來的維吾爾人臉上掛著笑容，滿意他們從再教育營學到的技能，結束課程出去利用學到的技術過著快樂美滿的日子。

One of the biggest internment camps near the region capital city Ürümqi was removed the prison tag several months ago by China mapper which claimed it is just a re-education facility for the Uyghurs , that was claimed by the China Authorities .

Now a report by Buzzfeednews findout that there are more internment camps and most of the camps are expand, which could assumed that there are more people send to these places. And some OSM mappers re-examine the previous found internment camps, and findout just west of the previous found one near Ürümq, there is a new infrastructure was built, which means no sight close down.

Some mappers who saw the news and want to map the area, wish to have a list of these camps. If someone remove camps, then we have a list and can re-add the camp back on map.

Some Chinese mappers are defending their government claims of these facility are re-education center for Uyghurs. But for OSM mappers, if a removed happened, it should have strong evidence to support their claims and then remove these named facility. If no these facility should keep what is tagged. And I have to say sorry keep commenting on one of a Chinese mappers changeset, hope the alert mail won’t make him in trouble.

I hope they could record something on Mapillary, we could see the image of re-education facility as real educational institute, and see some happy Uyghurs learning useful stuff for life, earning their livings after they finished their training program.

從前在新竹生活圈，桃園與新竹交會處的平鎮、湖口、新豐、觀音這一帶，OpenStreetMap 繪製的狀況相當不好，可說是幾乎空白一片。打開當時能用的唯一空照圖 Bing 一看就知道為什麼了，Bing 在那邊只有低解析度的圖資。因此圖客只能畫一畫大的道路如省道、高速公路，或者是台鐵或高鐵，而桃園一帶相當知名，用於儲水灌溉的埤塘遍布的現像無法畫出來，不少圖客只能看這一帶狀況嘆氣，無法做什麼。

後來有多了 DigitalGlobe、Mapbox 等提供衛星圖讓圖客能使用，Bing 的圖資也提昇解析度，不再有那麼大的低解析度區域，新竹桃園這一大片空白區不再是問題了，可能很輕易的畫出道路和聚落出來了。

隨著台灣政府釋出開放資料，官方的地圖國土測繪中心釋出開放資料版本，有放出縮放層級 15 的地圖，能用 WMS 讀取，能確認一些道路甚至巷弄的存在，大大便利愛坐在電腦前動手畫地圖圖客的需求。

近幾年 OSM 的資料隨著越來越小的行政層級都建起來而更為詳細，方便資料使用者很輕易取得資料。甚至是一些圖客比較活躍的地方，商家資訊等也相當多了。像是以前新竹桃園一大片空白區早已經是歷史，台灣越來越多人參與的社群，注重更多種需求，畫的東西也越來越多樣，希望能夠繼續維持這鼓動能。

In the metropolitan area of Hsinzhu, around the administrative border of Taoyuan, Hsinzhu, once there is a empty place on OpenStreetMap, not well-mapped area. When you open the only available satellite image Bing image of the time, you will tell why it is impossible to map anything, there is only low-res image in the area availabe on Bing Image. The only thing mappers can do is drawing Provincial Highway, Freeway, traditonal railway or high speed railway. And of course mappers could not map the common pond used for irrigation, and could just sigh and compliant about the situation, nothing could do.

Several years later there are DigitalGlobe and Mapbox satellite, which could be use for tracing by mappers. And finally Bing enhanced there image quality, there is no more wide range of low-res image. We the mappers could easily trace the road and residental area.

Taiwan Governement release open data, the official map which is maintained by National Land Survay Center also distribute zome level 15 map verison, could be accessed by WMS. OpenStreetMap mappers could make sure if a road exist, and even draw small alley in the residental area. Coach Mappers could just trace NLSC Open Data map with no pian on OpenStreeteMap.

In the recent years, OSM data in Taiwan is greatly enhanced, even small adminstrative level like villages was mapped. Data users could easily extract data. There are places that have more active mappers, the stores and local amenities are well mapped. The wide blank of Taoyuan and Hsinzhu is no more a problem, just a pasted history. There are more people contribute data on OpenStreetMap in Taiwan, and have wide range of interests, and map varies things. We hope OpenStreetMap community could encourage more contribution to the map.

臺灣桃園國際機場東南邊這一帶，有個長期在大部分商業地圖都空白，卻在開放街圖有標示的地方，原先為台灣空軍及海軍的桃園基地所在地，如今在文化主管單位稱為前空軍桃園基地設施群。桃園基地是從前冷戰時期黑貓中隊 U-2 高空偵察機的駐地，負責深入中國內陸偵察核子武器設施動向的偵察隊。桃園基地是現今保存最為完整的軍事基地，如今已經由桃園市政府接管，轉型為文化資產前空軍桃園基地設施群，記錄從前冷戰的記憶以及黑貓中隊深入敵境犯險偵察的故事，這幾個月也有舉行特展。

In the southeast of Taiwan Taoyuan Internation Airport, there is a blank of map that does not exist, but have thing exist in OpenStreetMap, was a former military base Taoyuan Airbase of ROC Airforce and ROC Navy. Now the former airbase is appointed as culture and heritage site of Taiwan, is named Former infrastructure group of Taoyuan Airbase of ROC Airforce. Taoyuan Airbase was once the homebase of Black Cat Squadron, which flew U2 surveillance plane to investigate nuclear infrastructure and capacity in inner land area of China. Taoyuan Airbase is the biggest preserve former military base in Taiwan, now is transformed into culture and heritage site “Former infrastruce group of Taoyuan Airbase of ROC Airforce” and mangage by Taoyuan City government, write the history of cold war and the story of Black Cat Squadron going deep into the enemy’s territory to conducted electronic surveillance plus photo reconnaissance missions with dangers. And in the following months, there is a special exhibition going on.

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昨日加了臺北市山區小巴，小5與小5區公車路線。這兩條路線是從昆陽經舊莊街，然後到鹿堀的路線。那個鹿堀就是鹿堀事件發生地點，公車終點站的光明寺，就是當年當局關押涉入事件的村民的地方。從前南港山區是產茶區，但因為鹿堀事件而元氣大傷，拱手將茶葉市場讓給大文山與隔壁汐止了。

今日則是加上汐止的新巴士路線，分別是 F911、F903、F901 三條路線，走大尖山一帶的新巴士。接下來還要加上685吉林、292副線公車。

這陣子著重在關聯上面，尤其是水系、公車客運、公路路線。水系部分要來處理綠島、蘭嶼的水系關聯。最近覺得一直盯著 OSMCha 等 QA 工具看台灣的編輯變動，有點累而且影響自己的編輯步調。要自己提醒自己先留言提醒編輯可能的問題，然後再從 osm-tw slack 那邊，匯整整理後再來處理。

I want to say something from my own perspective for Drinking Water Map, and option is my own, not a community members consensus. If other community members have thoughts it is only properly for them to speak for themselves.

Drinking Water Map is a organization to organization corporate-project, it is not wise to ban some certain people, and also not a mature things to do. But if we count the actions of e-info, I thought they will have a consistent action plan, at least interacting with outside will have a consistent action plan. But it was not the case, community member of OpenStreetMap had to reply to questions that already was answered, no one had read the written notes. I am very disappointed about e-info, being a environmental organization for 10 years, someone had to reply to already answered questions, had to explained to already told future vision.

Orthree on Flickr, CC-BY 2.0

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I heard someone talking about Drinking Water Map again. I want to make it clear as a Community member of OpenStreetMap, OpenStreetMap project welcome everyboday use its date, in the condition of obeying OpenStreetMap’s specification and license, following the OBdb license of database, the tile image is by CC-By-SA 2.0.

With someone not familar with Taiwan Open Source community, they not very well know about the definition of corporation. OpenStreetMap Taiwan Community is not legalized by Taiwan Government, not technically as NGO. I have to say again that E-infor mention about OpenStreetMap when talking about Drinking Water Map, is just an attempt to do something, does not endorses for e-info interior working goal. What they claim is not acknowledged or recognized by OpenStreetMap Taiwan Community.

OpenStreetMap Taiwan Community is very serious about the data quality of OpenStreetMap in Taiwan, and working solo by importing open government data of drinking water infrastructure, without the help from e-info. The problem raised by Community regard the map appearance issue, such as no information should be putted in name field, and the issue on GitHub Reposit, was ignored by e-for. Much of the time serious issue was not deal, instead was just some grin response for entertainment.

There are several problem between e-info and OpenStreetMap Taiwan. If you are interested you can read the post published in June.