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69735931 about 6 years ago

Hello Ilanride22,

I write to you following a discussion in the Israel OSM forum https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=750884#p750884

You write:
"This changes to the road was made 2 years ago (mainly ended the motoraway section of road 1 in Anava Interchange)."

However, an OpenStreetCam trace
https://openstreetcam.org/details/1289143/1262/track-info
taken in Aug-2018 shows that Sha'ar HaGay is a motorway interchange. which means that so is the section of Road 1 between Anava and Sa'ar HaGay

How did you determine the road classification?

For our reference, the OSM Israel wiki page says:

Inter-city Roads

* First rule for numbered roads: The category is determined by the color of the sign, not by the number of digits!

* Different sections with the same road number can have different categories.

* Speed limits stated below are the defaults by law, though can be altered in a specific road section by a "special speed limit" sign.

67169993 over 6 years ago

Hello Olyon,

In this edit, among other things, you have created a "natural=bay" relation for the Gulf of Aqaba.

According to
osm.wiki/Tag:natural=bay, "place=sea" is appropriate for gulfs and very large bays.

The wiki also states that relations are not appropriate for both "natural=bay" and "place=sea". The recommendation is to add the "place=sea" to a node near the center of the marine water body.

Best wishes,
Zeev

47627170 over 6 years ago

It is unclear which entry in which wiki was behind the change of Mitzpe Ramon from place=city to place=town.

The note tag explicitly says:

Clearly one of "the largest settlements within a territory", as defined by the OSM wiki osm.wiki/Tag:place%3Dcity Please keep its place=city tag.

57715156 over 6 years ago

The note tag is used for communication between mappers.

See osm.wiki/Notes

57715156 over 6 years ago

No. A guard rail was built on the side of the road that blocks access to the track.

63714793 over 6 years ago

Thanks!
Using http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yVZ in osm.org/changeset/67629101 I've removed all orphan nodes in Israel.

37757548 over 6 years ago

Tagged as barrier=retaining_wall in osm.org/changeset/67381557

67260523 over 6 years ago

Corrected.
Thanks!

50944845 over 6 years ago

Hi Moshe,

No problem. I've changed it into a simple service road, as the restrictions are no longer enforced.

50944845 over 6 years ago

Hello Moshe,
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In this changeset you have changed way 209079640 (now way 567468238) from service to cycleway. I assume this was done to capture access restrictions.
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The physical road is still a service road. In addition, there is no physical barrier at the entrance and the sign discouraging the use of road is not specific to motor vehicles.
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Therefore, IMO, a more accurate tagging would be highway=service with access=discouraged.

63922037 almost 7 years ago

I appreciate the sensible approach you took in changeset 64231886. I ask that when you find the next error, please correct it rather than remove the area. At the end of the day, we all want OSM to be the best mapping source in Israel
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Importing the IDF data, with its errors, has a significant value for OSM users and hikers in particular. As you probably know, Civilians are required to get IDF authorization prior to entering its training areas. Until this import there was no free source for this mapping information. See the discussion at the OSM Israel forum -
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=61570

63922037 almost 7 years ago

I agree that the IDF data has issues. I have corrected such error myself.
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I claim that there is a training area there. The de-facto eastern boundary may be different than the IDF data.
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You may wish to correct such an error by mapping the actual boundary. On the other side, removing the training_area tagging is incorrect and degrades the correctness of the map.

63922037 almost 7 years ago

I do not understand if you claim that the boundaries of the training area outside the air-force base are incorrect, or that there is no such training area.

63922037 almost 7 years ago

This is not mapping of the base.
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This is the training area, as provided by the IDF.
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Please also see https://goo.gl/234Hn7 for the official boundaries on govmap.gov.il

63922037 almost 7 years ago

Hello Flayer,

Military training areas have legal implications in Israel.
In this edit you have removed the military training area tags, which can be dangerous to people.

What is the reason and source for this change?

Because of the severe safety implications of this change, I'll revert this change until it is clear that is not a military training area any more.

63257708 almost 7 years ago

Thanks!
I've updated the route relations accordingly.

60829996 almost 7 years ago

!OSM-שלום זהבה וברוכה הבאה ל
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בעריכה זו הוספת קו ללא תגיות
osm.org/way/608901964
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ללא תגיות, אין משמעות למיפוי. אנא הוסיפי את התיוג המתאים או הסירי את הקו
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תודה,
זאב

53330740 almost 7 years ago

way deleted due to lack of response

62976251 almost 7 years ago

Hello BMM994,
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In this changeset you have created osm.org/way/628563195
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Without any tags, this way is meaningless. Please add the appropriate tag(s) or delete it.
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Thanks,
Zeev

59053446 almost 7 years ago

Turn restriction was removed for lack of response.