OpenStreetMap
I’m afraid of google. It’s everywhere!
I couldn’t make an account for the wiki because it uses google’s recaptcha. Looks like the new ID editor uses google’s analytics…
Not sure if there is an easy alternative for the captcha problem but one certainly could use some other user tracking software, like Piwik. Or any one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_web_analytics_software
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TomHтарафынан 8 May 2013 cәғәт 07:21көндө ҡаралған
We do use piwik, rather than google, and as far as I can see the version of iD installed on the main site is not attempting to load google analytics. Can you tell me what makes you think it is?
Firefishyтарафынан 8 May 2013 cәғәт 11:36көндө ҡаралған
I setup the mediawiki instance we use for wiki.osm.org… We originally used an alternative to ReCaptcha but I was asked to switch as it wasn’t compatible with screen-readers. I’d gladly switch to something else.
robertтарафынан 8 May 2013 cәғәт 12:11көндө ҡаралған
All this paranoia over recaptcha is unwarranted in my opinion. Get a grip.
K01umbusтарафынан 8 May 2013 cәғәт 18:35көндө ҡаралған
@TomH Perhaps I’m looking at the wrong site then http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/index.html ?
@robert You might want to read this article and ponder the role census data played in it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
ingallsтарафынан 8 May 2013 cәғәт 20:18көндө ҡаралған
@K01umbus and they also used maps to plan transportation for both the Japanese Internment. Hitler also used extremely detailed ones to transport people to the concentration camps…
With that argument you would basically have to halt science because just about everything that science creates can be used for good or evil. Look at atomic energy, bacterial research, and the list goes on.
I don’t know what is up with all this fuss about captchas these days but it seems to be getting more and more ridiculous. I can understand changing it if there is a technical reason (Or hugely better method) to do so but otherwise don’t fix things that aren’t broken.
That’s my two cents.
RoadLessTravelledтарафынан 9 May 2013 cәғәт 04:25көндө ҡаралған
Piwik’s great, although another great option that always seems to get overlooked is Open Web Analytics. Personally for me, I don’t like the thought of any one company tracking me, my friends, my family everywhere they go and keeping permanent records of everything that they said to each other and everyone else. That just seems like a horrific abuse of power just waiting to happen. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But sooner or later almost inevitably.
Oh, and I’m not against scientific advancement. As was said already, all technology can be used for good or evil, but some technologies lend themselves more easily to either good or evil. Near universal tracking of people’s location, conversation and affiliations seems to lend itself quite neatly in the latter camp.
aseerel4c26тарафынан 9 May 2013 cәғәт 10:28көндө ҡаралған
just +1 @K01umbus since here are also opposite opinions. We should not enable google to track everybody of us. That is more important if even opting out of google’s services is not possible at the wiki signup. No contribution possible without feeding google - bah. Similar problems arise for the log-in here (but not using is possible here)… a nice advertisement for those big tracking companies.
robertтарафынан 9 May 2013 cәғәт 11:54көндө ҡаралған
I think you’re all overestimating Google’s competence, especially in “tracking all of us”.
@K01umbus I think your Japanese internment argument is absurd.
gornтарафынан10 May 2013 cәғәт 13:53көндө ҡаралған
I agree that there users should not be forced to use google recapcha. In addition to what has been said, it helps google with digitalizing the books and there might be people who do not want to help google in this - the project has many contraversories, including data licencing and unhappy authors of books beeing digitalized. Therefore users of project like openstreetmap with very different philosophy should not force its users to contribute to google digitalization.
aseerel4c26тарафынан13 May 2013 cәғәт 15:56көндө ҡаралған
@K01umbus: Yes, google analytics code is (among other stuff) in https://github.com/systemed/iD/blob/master/dist/index.html (starts at line 26) and also attempted to load on http://www.openstreetmap.us/iD/master and http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/index.html (judging from AdBlock’s object list) - development/test versions/site. However, it is apparently not attempted to load on osm.org/edit?editor=id (our main site).
K01umbusтарафынан14 May 2013 cәғәт 18:24көндө ҡаралған
Right, thanks for the thorough explanation aseerel4c26. Good to hear it’s not on the main site.