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I’m afraid of google. It’s everywhere!
I couldn’t make an account for the wiki because it uses google’s recaptcha. Looks like the new ID editor uses google’s analytics…
Not sure if there is an easy alternative for the captcha problem but one certainly could use some other user tracking software, like Piwik. Or any one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_web_analytics_software
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Bình luận của TomH vào 8 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 07:21
We do use piwik, rather than google, and as far as I can see the version of iD installed on the main site is not attempting to load google analytics. Can you tell me what makes you think it is?
Bình luận của Firefishy vào 8 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 11:36
I setup the mediawiki instance we use for wiki.osm.org… We originally used an alternative to ReCaptcha but I was asked to switch as it wasn’t compatible with screen-readers. I’d gladly switch to something else.
Bình luận của robert vào 8 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 12:11
All this paranoia over recaptcha is unwarranted in my opinion. Get a grip.
Bình luận của K01umbus vào 8 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 18:35
@TomH Perhaps I’m looking at the wrong site then http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/index.html ?
@robert You might want to read this article and ponder the role census data played in it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
Bình luận của ingalls vào 8 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 20:18
@K01umbus and they also used maps to plan transportation for both the Japanese Internment. Hitler also used extremely detailed ones to transport people to the concentration camps…
With that argument you would basically have to halt science because just about everything that science creates can be used for good or evil. Look at atomic energy, bacterial research, and the list goes on.
I don’t know what is up with all this fuss about captchas these days but it seems to be getting more and more ridiculous. I can understand changing it if there is a technical reason (Or hugely better method) to do so but otherwise don’t fix things that aren’t broken.
That’s my two cents.
Bình luận của RoadLessTravelled vào 9 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 04:25
Piwik’s great, although another great option that always seems to get overlooked is Open Web Analytics. Personally for me, I don’t like the thought of any one company tracking me, my friends, my family everywhere they go and keeping permanent records of everything that they said to each other and everyone else. That just seems like a horrific abuse of power just waiting to happen. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But sooner or later almost inevitably.
Oh, and I’m not against scientific advancement. As was said already, all technology can be used for good or evil, but some technologies lend themselves more easily to either good or evil. Near universal tracking of people’s location, conversation and affiliations seems to lend itself quite neatly in the latter camp.
Bình luận của aseerel4c26 vào 9 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 10:28
just +1 @K01umbus since here are also opposite opinions. We should not enable google to track everybody of us. That is more important if even opting out of google’s services is not possible at the wiki signup. No contribution possible without feeding google - bah. Similar problems arise for the log-in here (but not using is possible here)… a nice advertisement for those big tracking companies.
Bình luận của robert vào 9 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 11:54
I think you’re all overestimating Google’s competence, especially in “tracking all of us”.
@K01umbus I think your Japanese internment argument is absurd.
Bình luận của gorn vào 10 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 13:53
I agree that there users should not be forced to use google recapcha. In addition to what has been said, it helps google with digitalizing the books and there might be people who do not want to help google in this - the project has many contraversories, including data licencing and unhappy authors of books beeing digitalized. Therefore users of project like openstreetmap with very different philosophy should not force its users to contribute to google digitalization.
Bình luận của aseerel4c26 vào 13 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 15:56
@K01umbus: Yes, google analytics code is (among other stuff) in https://github.com/systemed/iD/blob/master/dist/index.html (starts at line 26) and also attempted to load on http://www.openstreetmap.us/iD/master and http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/index.html (judging from AdBlock’s object list) - development/test versions/site. However, it is apparently not attempted to load on osm.org/edit?editor=id (our main site).
Bình luận của K01umbus vào 14 tháng 5 năm 2013 lúc 18:24
Right, thanks for the thorough explanation aseerel4c26. Good to hear it’s not on the main site.