OpenStreetMap
I’m afraid of google. It’s everywhere!
I couldn’t make an account for the wiki because it uses google’s recaptcha. Looks like the new ID editor uses google’s analytics…
Not sure if there is an easy alternative for the captcha problem but one certainly could use some other user tracking software, like Piwik. Or any one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_web_analytics_software
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2013년 5월 8일 07:21에 TomH님의 의견
We do use piwik, rather than google, and as far as I can see the version of iD installed on the main site is not attempting to load google analytics. Can you tell me what makes you think it is?
2013년 5월 8일 11:36에 Firefishy님의 의견
I setup the mediawiki instance we use for wiki.osm.org… We originally used an alternative to ReCaptcha but I was asked to switch as it wasn’t compatible with screen-readers. I’d gladly switch to something else.
2013년 5월 8일 12:11에 robert님의 의견
All this paranoia over recaptcha is unwarranted in my opinion. Get a grip.
2013년 5월 8일 18:35에 K01umbus님의 의견
@TomH Perhaps I’m looking at the wrong site then http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/index.html ?
@robert You might want to read this article and ponder the role census data played in it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
2013년 5월 8일 20:18에 ingalls님의 의견
@K01umbus and they also used maps to plan transportation for both the Japanese Internment. Hitler also used extremely detailed ones to transport people to the concentration camps…
With that argument you would basically have to halt science because just about everything that science creates can be used for good or evil. Look at atomic energy, bacterial research, and the list goes on.
I don’t know what is up with all this fuss about captchas these days but it seems to be getting more and more ridiculous. I can understand changing it if there is a technical reason (Or hugely better method) to do so but otherwise don’t fix things that aren’t broken.
That’s my two cents.
2013년 5월 9일 04:25에 RoadLessTravelled님의 의견
Piwik’s great, although another great option that always seems to get overlooked is Open Web Analytics. Personally for me, I don’t like the thought of any one company tracking me, my friends, my family everywhere they go and keeping permanent records of everything that they said to each other and everyone else. That just seems like a horrific abuse of power just waiting to happen. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But sooner or later almost inevitably.
Oh, and I’m not against scientific advancement. As was said already, all technology can be used for good or evil, but some technologies lend themselves more easily to either good or evil. Near universal tracking of people’s location, conversation and affiliations seems to lend itself quite neatly in the latter camp.
2013년 5월 9일 10:28에 aseerel4c26님의 의견
just +1 @K01umbus since here are also opposite opinions. We should not enable google to track everybody of us. That is more important if even opting out of google’s services is not possible at the wiki signup. No contribution possible without feeding google - bah. Similar problems arise for the log-in here (but not using is possible here)… a nice advertisement for those big tracking companies.
2013년 5월 9일 11:54에 robert님의 의견
I think you’re all overestimating Google’s competence, especially in “tracking all of us”.
@K01umbus I think your Japanese internment argument is absurd.
2013년 5월 10일 13:53에 gorn님의 의견
I agree that there users should not be forced to use google recapcha. In addition to what has been said, it helps google with digitalizing the books and there might be people who do not want to help google in this - the project has many contraversories, including data licencing and unhappy authors of books beeing digitalized. Therefore users of project like openstreetmap with very different philosophy should not force its users to contribute to google digitalization.
2013년 5월 13일 15:56에 aseerel4c26님의 의견
@K01umbus: Yes, google analytics code is (among other stuff) in https://github.com/systemed/iD/blob/master/dist/index.html (starts at line 26) and also attempted to load on http://www.openstreetmap.us/iD/master and http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/index.html (judging from AdBlock’s object list) - development/test versions/site. However, it is apparently not attempted to load on osm.org/edit?editor=id (our main site).
2013년 5월 14일 18:24에 K01umbus님의 의견
Right, thanks for the thorough explanation aseerel4c26. Good to hear it’s not on the main site.