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142891419 almost 2 years ago

Der iD-Editor kann mit Relationen nicht gut umgehen, siehe Issue https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8578
Auch hier hat er bei der Member Order der Relation 13023171 gepatzt. JOSM ist in dieser Hinsicht die Referenz.

143745729 almost 2 years ago

Thanks for the information. I have filled the gap in the main route with the alternative section and transferred these guideposts to the main route as well. I have transferred the guideposts of the cancelled section from the main route to the alternative route.

143745729 almost 2 years ago

Why have you removed the ways between Ponte di Costozza and Colombaretta from the relation I1 stage 3 (Vicenza - Padova), although the route in this section is documented by the signposts in the relation? The main route now has a gap of ~5km.

143177877 almost 2 years ago

Na ja, der gespannte Elektrodraht über den Durchstieg schaut mir eher endgültig aus … man wird den Bauern befragen müssen, wie das gemeint ist.
Bist du mit dem TVB Südsteiermark in Kontakt?

143177877 almost 2 years ago

Zum Emmaus Winzerweg: gut recherchiert – Kompliment.
Ein Problem sehe ich hier: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1807253703060490

Ich frage mich, ob es Sinn macht, einen Weg in die Relation aufzunehmen, der nicht begangen werden kann/darf, selbst wenn er richtig getaggt wäre. Eine Wanderroute setzt m.E. immer eine öffentliche Begehbarkeit voraus.
BG Robert

135483967 almost 2 years ago

Klar, Danke.

135483967 almost 2 years ago

M.E stimmt es so nicht. Prinzipiell wird dieser Gehweg mit bicycle=yes und oneway=yes beschrieben. S.a.: osm.wiki/DE:Bicycle/Radverkehrsanlagen_kartieren#Eigenst%C3%A4ndige_Wege .
“oneway=yes” lese ich Zusatztag zur Einschränkung der generellen Erlaubnis mit „bicycle=yes“ (somit wäre oneway=no auch kein Ersatz für bicycle=yes). Nur in hw=cycleway kann es entfallen, in hw=footway und hw=path sollte es aber verwendet werden.

M.M.n sollte „bicycle=designated/yes” wieder hinzugefügt werden, um die Raderlaubnis auszudrücken.

135483967 almost 2 years ago

Bist du sicher? Der grüne Radstreifen scheint mir nur von Osten nach Westen befahrbar zu sein (so ist er auch getaggt). Sonst müsste hier ein Gegenverkehr-Zeichen angebracht sein: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=911218733445048
Und wo fahren jetzt die Radfahrer von West nach Ost???

142941563 almost 2 years ago

Es dürfte sich dabei um einen Marienweg (= Mariazellerwege und deren Zubringer) handeln, der aus Slowenien nach Graz zum 06er führt:
https://www.steiermark.com/de/Thermen-Vulkanland/Urlaub-planen/Tourenportal/Mariazeller-Weg-Anbindung-von-Slowenien-ueber-Mureck_tour_854299

142941563 almost 2 years ago

Ja, ich war auf dem 791er zwischen Lipsch und Mureck unterwegs. Schilder vom Marienweg/Jakobsweg habe ich nur 2 gesehen. Eines hast du verlinkt, das andere ist hier: https://kartaview.org/details/8031753/1/track-info .
LG Robert

142705599 almost 2 years ago

Done

142705599 almost 2 years ago

Comment "adding guideposts" and in reality ALL ways of relation 16478126 have disappeared. Very strange. Please stop editing until you check your tool chain and fix the problems.
I will revert this CS.

142550638 almost 2 years ago

I sent you a PM on 15 October 2023 at 20:37. Please check your OSM mailbox

142550638 almost 2 years ago

OK, I'll send you an OSM message with a more detailed description of my process.
I have already mentioned the source for the main route.
The 2 or more differently documented I1-routes are irrelevant to the cleanup.
Agreed, we both stop inserting data until we have a common understanding.

142550638 almost 2 years ago

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you were editing the I1 object now. Where did I read over that?
The reasoning "Please stop with that intervention, until we have a better picture of what is on the ground" is still not comprehensible to me. On the contrary, if you want to adjust the route to the signposting on the ground, the clean-up should be awaited because a) I don't change ways and b) afterwards corrections based on the signposting on the ground are easier and more reliable to make.
I assumed you accepted my argument, obviously a mistake, sorry.
I think a common point is that we should not edit the same object at the same time. I need one more day. Can you wait that long? Or how long do you need?

142550638 almost 2 years ago

It is rather unkind to intervene in an ongoing clean-up process without discussion. I will revert your change to relation 1607435. When I'm done, I'll share it here.

109586129 almost 2 years ago

Don't worry, all guideposts are preserved and unchanged. I am aware of the unreliability of the official sources, in summer I cycled parts of I1 and I2. The confusion was not inconsiderable :-)
Changing the structure of the relations is laborious, but it will make it much easier to maintain and correct the route in the future.
I am with you, what counts is what is signposted.
Robert

109586129 almost 2 years ago

Hi Volker, the basis of my change is the relation 1607435 as of 10 Oct. 2023. I have divided this network of ways into 2 relations: Rel 1607435 now only contains the main route, the new relation 16478126 all other ways. Both together should be 99% identical to the status before my change. The 1% are corrections of obvious errors.
The definition of the main route has http://archivio.venetostrade.it/venetoinbicicletta/src/pdf/rivista.pdf as its source.
If the relations now contain ways that are not signposted with I1, they were already there before my change.
Robert

109586129 almost 2 years ago

Thanks for your fixme „this route carries a number of JOSM warnings …”
The I1 relation was very chaotic, I divided it into main route and alternatives. The main route is still too big, I will divide it into stages.

139254093 almost 2 years ago

Hi,
Der Arbeitsname „Weststeiermark“ ist offiziell, der Diskussionsstand fluide, spätestens zur Eröffnung werden wir das Ergebnis wissen. Bis dahin macht „Weststeiermark“ mehr Sinn. Bitte ändere es dahingehend.
LG Robert