OpenStreetMap
I’m thinking about how best to tag LGBTQ venues, (e.g. “gay bars”). And I’m not sure how to do it. I’ve started a thread on the tagging@ & diversity-talk@ lists.
Initially I thought lgbtq=yes was a good tag, but now I’m not sure. Does anyone have any advice for a way to tag them in keeping with the OSM tagging conventions?
I’m thnking lgbtq=primary is a good idea. So a LGBTQ bar/”gay bar” would be amenity=bar,lgbtq=primary.
Discussion
Coment di ChristianSW ai 26 di October 2018 a lis 15:49
I found this in the wiki:
osm.wiki/Key:gay
As you write, maybe it’s better to use:
lgbtq=yes/only
lgbtq:men=yes/only
Coment di Alan Trick ai 26 di October 2018 a lis 15:55
Personally, I think
lgbtq=designatedis the best. Designated (at least in the access tags) doesn’t necessarily mean that it was designated by some official body, just that that is how the space is used in practice by people on the ground.My main concern would be that LGBTQ is too broad of a designation (what if there are gay-specific bars, or trans-specific bar) but I don’t know much about the community to know if that’s realistically an issue.
Coment di amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️⚧️ ai 26 di October 2018 a lis 16:04
@ChristianSW I covered problems with the
gay=*tag in my first email, namely the LGBTQ community is larger than just gay (men).@Alan Trick: There are a minority of LGBTQ venues aimed at certain subsets of the LGBTQ community, I think that could be solved with
lgbtq:X=(primary/no/only)" etc. (e.g.lgbtq:lesbian=primary-> mainly a lesbian venue.lgbtq:lesbian=no-> no lesbians allowed.lgbtq:lesbian=onlyonly lesbians (though I'm unsure about 'only')), so further details can be tagged.lgbtq=primary/designed/whatever` can mean “the LGBTQ in general”.I thought about
=designated, and it’s in keeping with OSM conventions. I thought it was only for things officially designed that by an official body. LGBTQ venues aren’t like that. 🤔Coment di Alan Trick ai 26 di October 2018 a lis 16:21
I’m mostly familiar with “designated” in the context of bike trails. Often these designations aren’t official because there’s no official body responsible for them. The wiki page does say “typically by a government” but I think this is a case where ground truth is more important.
Coment di Nelson Minar ai 27 di October 2018 a lis 19:41
FWIW, right now
gay=*seems most popular, with 686 tags. I agreelgbtqor some variant would be more inclusive, but you might be able to learn something by looking at howgayhas been used so far here: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/gay#overviewComent di ftrebien ai 30 di October 2018 a lis 01:44
In my not-so-extensive experience as a cis gay guy, restrictions and status (friendly vs preferred vs advertised) expected/enforced by services, dance clubs and sex clubs usually apply on:
Reality allows for any combination of these and many more (looking at LGBTTQQIAAP and the Genderbread Person :P), but some are really common and some are very rare. In OSM we usually want both simplicity and expressiveness. I think a scheme inspired by access:conditional could bring interesting possibilities, so I’ll do some research to try to expand on this.
Coment di amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️⚧️ ai 30 di October 2018 a lis 08:51
@ftrebrien I’m suggesting
lgbtq:*=*. So one can maplgbtq=primaryfor a simple, general case, and go into more details withlgbtq:lesbian=primary,lgbtq:gay_male=no, etc., etc.Coment di Carlos_Sánchez ai 11 di November 2018 a lis 17:00
Why these 5 letters and no others. I prefer a specific word that can unify everyone. Maybe queer or “rainbow”.
Coment di amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️⚧️ ai 12 di November 2018 a lis 10:58
@Carlos LGBTQ = lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer. It’s a common acronym. Not all people identify (or want to identify) as queer, since it has often been used against them.
I’m open to using other acronyms, but I suspect we’ll always come up short. 🙂