OpenStreetMap
I’m thinking about how best to tag LGBTQ venues, (e.g. “gay bars”). And I’m not sure how to do it. I’ve started a thread on the tagging@ & diversity-talk@ lists.
Initially I thought lgbtq=yes was a good tag, but now I’m not sure. Does anyone have any advice for a way to tag them in keeping with the OSM tagging conventions?
I’m thnking lgbtq=primary is a good idea. So a LGBTQ bar/”gay bar” would be amenity=bar,lgbtq=primary.
議論
2018年10月26日 15:49 ChristianSW からのコメント
I found this in the wiki:
osm.wiki/Key:gay
As you write, maybe it’s better to use:
lgbtq=yes/only
lgbtq:men=yes/only
2018年10月26日 15:55 Alan Trick からのコメント
Personally, I think
lgbtq=designatedis the best. Designated (at least in the access tags) doesn’t necessarily mean that it was designated by some official body, just that that is how the space is used in practice by people on the ground.My main concern would be that LGBTQ is too broad of a designation (what if there are gay-specific bars, or trans-specific bar) but I don’t know much about the community to know if that’s realistically an issue.
2018年10月26日 16:04 amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️⚧️ からのコメント
@ChristianSW I covered problems with the
gay=*tag in my first email, namely the LGBTQ community is larger than just gay (men).@Alan Trick: There are a minority of LGBTQ venues aimed at certain subsets of the LGBTQ community, I think that could be solved with
lgbtq:X=(primary/no/only)" etc. (e.g.lgbtq:lesbian=primary-> mainly a lesbian venue.lgbtq:lesbian=no-> no lesbians allowed.lgbtq:lesbian=onlyonly lesbians (though I'm unsure about 'only')), so further details can be tagged.lgbtq=primary/designed/whatever` can mean “the LGBTQ in general”.I thought about
=designated, and it’s in keeping with OSM conventions. I thought it was only for things officially designed that by an official body. LGBTQ venues aren’t like that. 🤔2018年10月26日 16:21 Alan Trick からのコメント
I’m mostly familiar with “designated” in the context of bike trails. Often these designations aren’t official because there’s no official body responsible for them. The wiki page does say “typically by a government” but I think this is a case where ground truth is more important.
2018年10月27日 19:41 Nelson Minar からのコメント
FWIW, right now
gay=*seems most popular, with 686 tags. I agreelgbtqor some variant would be more inclusive, but you might be able to learn something by looking at howgayhas been used so far here: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/gay#overview2018年10月30日 01:44 ftrebien からのコメント
In my not-so-extensive experience as a cis gay guy, restrictions and status (friendly vs preferred vs advertised) expected/enforced by services, dance clubs and sex clubs usually apply on:
Reality allows for any combination of these and many more (looking at LGBTTQQIAAP and the Genderbread Person :P), but some are really common and some are very rare. In OSM we usually want both simplicity and expressiveness. I think a scheme inspired by access:conditional could bring interesting possibilities, so I’ll do some research to try to expand on this.
2018年10月30日 08:51 amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️⚧️ からのコメント
@ftrebrien I’m suggesting
lgbtq:*=*. So one can maplgbtq=primaryfor a simple, general case, and go into more details withlgbtq:lesbian=primary,lgbtq:gay_male=no, etc., etc.2018年11月11日 17:00 Carlos_Sánchez からのコメント
Why these 5 letters and no others. I prefer a specific word that can unify everyone. Maybe queer or “rainbow”.
2018年11月12日 10:58 amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️⚧️ からのコメント
@Carlos LGBTQ = lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer. It’s a common acronym. Not all people identify (or want to identify) as queer, since it has often been used against them.
I’m open to using other acronyms, but I suspect we’ll always come up short. 🙂