OpenStreetMap
How should we tag LGBTQ venues?
Bu girdi, 26 Ekim 2018 tarihinde amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️⚧️ tarafından English yayımlandı.I’m thinking about how best to tag LGBTQ venues, (e.g. “gay bars”). And I’m not sure how to do it. I’ve started a thread on the tagging@ & diversity-talk@ lists.
Initially I thought lgbtq=yes was a good tag, but now I’m not sure. Does anyone have any advice for a way to tag them in keeping with the OSM tagging conventions?
I’m thnking lgbtq=primary is a good idea. So a LGBTQ bar/”gay bar” would be amenity=bar,lgbtq=primary.
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ChristianSW tarafından 26 Ekim 2018 saat 15.49 tarihinde yapılan yorum
I found this in the wiki:
osm.wiki/Key:gay
As you write, maybe it’s better to use:
lgbtq=yes/only
lgbtq:men=yes/only
Alan Trick tarafından 26 Ekim 2018 saat 15.55 tarihinde yapılan yorum
Personally, I think
lgbtq=designatedis the best. Designated (at least in the access tags) doesn’t necessarily mean that it was designated by some official body, just that that is how the space is used in practice by people on the ground.My main concern would be that LGBTQ is too broad of a designation (what if there are gay-specific bars, or trans-specific bar) but I don’t know much about the community to know if that’s realistically an issue.
amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️⚧️ tarafından 26 Ekim 2018 saat 16.04 tarihinde yapılan yorum
@ChristianSW I covered problems with the
gay=*tag in my first email, namely the LGBTQ community is larger than just gay (men).@Alan Trick: There are a minority of LGBTQ venues aimed at certain subsets of the LGBTQ community, I think that could be solved with
lgbtq:X=(primary/no/only)" etc. (e.g.lgbtq:lesbian=primary-> mainly a lesbian venue.lgbtq:lesbian=no-> no lesbians allowed.lgbtq:lesbian=onlyonly lesbians (though I'm unsure about 'only')), so further details can be tagged.lgbtq=primary/designed/whatever` can mean “the LGBTQ in general”.I thought about
=designated, and it’s in keeping with OSM conventions. I thought it was only for things officially designed that by an official body. LGBTQ venues aren’t like that. 🤔Alan Trick tarafından 26 Ekim 2018 saat 16.21 tarihinde yapılan yorum
I’m mostly familiar with “designated” in the context of bike trails. Often these designations aren’t official because there’s no official body responsible for them. The wiki page does say “typically by a government” but I think this is a case where ground truth is more important.
Nelson Minar tarafından 27 Ekim 2018 saat 19.41 tarihinde yapılan yorum
FWIW, right now
gay=*seems most popular, with 686 tags. I agreelgbtqor some variant would be more inclusive, but you might be able to learn something by looking at howgayhas been used so far here: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/gay#overviewftrebien tarafından 30 Ekim 2018 saat 01.44 tarihinde yapılan yorum
In my not-so-extensive experience as a cis gay guy, restrictions and status (friendly vs preferred vs advertised) expected/enforced by services, dance clubs and sex clubs usually apply on:
Reality allows for any combination of these and many more (looking at LGBTTQQIAAP and the Genderbread Person :P), but some are really common and some are very rare. In OSM we usually want both simplicity and expressiveness. I think a scheme inspired by access:conditional could bring interesting possibilities, so I’ll do some research to try to expand on this.
amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️⚧️ tarafından 30 Ekim 2018 saat 08.51 tarihinde yapılan yorum
@ftrebrien I’m suggesting
lgbtq:*=*. So one can maplgbtq=primaryfor a simple, general case, and go into more details withlgbtq:lesbian=primary,lgbtq:gay_male=no, etc., etc.Carlos_Sánchez tarafından 11 Kasım 2018 saat 17.00 tarihinde yapılan yorum
Why these 5 letters and no others. I prefer a specific word that can unify everyone. Maybe queer or “rainbow”.
amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️⚧️ tarafından 12 Kasım 2018 saat 10.58 tarihinde yapılan yorum
@Carlos LGBTQ = lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer. It’s a common acronym. Not all people identify (or want to identify) as queer, since it has often been used against them.
I’m open to using other acronyms, but I suspect we’ll always come up short. 🙂